Cameron "voodoo" economics - very interesting article
Discussion
Apparently he doesn't know how many homes he has:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/...
Read thoroughly and respond rationally!
DC does worry me....
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/...
Read thoroughly and respond rationally!
DC does worry me....
Read it. Not that impresed. The houses comment is taken waaaaaay out of context, as is the Laffer stuff and the analysis of tax/boom in the USA. A well crafted article, but only from the standpoint that he is a liberal left journo desperately looking for a stick to beat Cameron with, whilst trying to maintain a veneer of neutrality and serious debate.
I don't remember him writing similar articles when Blair was lieing to the people, or when Gordon was merrily decimating the private pensions sector etc.
Read him for what he is - a man with an axe to grind
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I don't remember him writing similar articles when Blair was lieing to the people, or when Gordon was merrily decimating the private pensions sector etc.
Read him for what he is - a man with an axe to grind
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it worries me that there seems to be a tactic to discredit all the other parties so that labour can be seen as voteable...labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
it also worries me when socialist pigs rob the tax payer and think they can keep it secret...
it also worries me when socialist pigs rob the tax payer and think they can keep it secret...
Mclovin said:
it worries me that there seems to be a tactic to discredit all the other parties so that labour can be seen as voteable...labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
it also worries me when socialist pigs rob the tax payer and think they can keep it secret...
Even have I got news for you this week was scandalously written. Every MPs' expenses joke was about the Tories specifically, with the word Tory repeated. Yet when they were discussing the others....no mention of their affiliation.it also worries me when socialist pigs rob the tax payer and think they can keep it secret...
It stinks to be honest. Impartiality is all I ask for.......
Mclovin said:
labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
As you know - I am no Labour voter - but I disagree that Labour aren't getting taken to task by the press. The Telegraph has been discrediting as many Labour MPs as ones of other parties over the last few weeks...Don said:
Mclovin said:
labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
As you know - I am no Labour voter - but I disagree that Labour aren't getting taken to task by the press. The Telegraph has been discrediting as many Labour MPs as ones of other parties over the last few weeks...They couldn't really sink any lower in the polls than where they have been lately. People seem to have temporarily forgotten the real, they've fked up my country issues.
Could be the perfect time for a snap election? Does he have the balls? we will see!
Martial Arts Man said:
Don said:
Mclovin said:
labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
As you know - I am no Labour voter - but I disagree that Labour aren't getting taken to task by the press. The Telegraph has been discrediting as many Labour MPs as ones of other parties over the last few weeks...They couldn't really sink any lower in the polls than where they have been lately. People seem to have temporarily forgotten the real, they've fked up my country issues.
Could be the perfect time for a snap election? Does he have the balls? we will see!
This has hurt Labour far more than the Tories.
DJC said:
Martial Arts Man said:
Don said:
Mclovin said:
labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
As you know - I am no Labour voter - but I disagree that Labour aren't getting taken to task by the press. The Telegraph has been discrediting as many Labour MPs as ones of other parties over the last few weeks...They couldn't really sink any lower in the polls than where they have been lately. People seem to have temporarily forgotten the real, they've fked up my country issues.
Could be the perfect time for a snap election? Does he have the balls? we will see!
This has hurt Labour far more than the Tories.
It's the average voter I worry about. I'm not sure they really understand flipping etc, other than that it is bad. Duck ponds and moats....well, in these trying economic times, I believe them to be more damaging. The gulf between the Tories and the average voter have been revealed to be as wide as ever before; perhaps I am just paranoid.
Do the public even remember what Dave's reaction was last week or the week before? This issue won't go away and with each fresh revalation, the anger levels rise again.
For instance, I don't know whether you watched Newsnight yesterday evening, but they had a feature on the Bromsgrove MP Julie somebody, a Tory. Her constituents are pretty angry, with good reason. However, the persons interviewed when asked if it would affect the way they vote, said yes. To me, that meant that they were going to vote Labour. I know it doesn't prove anything, but as an indication as to what might happen, it worried me.
As I mentioned earlier, I am just terrified of another 4-5 years of Broon. Totally and utterly, I'm going to emigrate, scared.
I just do not trust the country to ever do the right thing anymore. The UK is full of idiots.
Martial Arts Man said:
DJC said:
Martial Arts Man said:
Don said:
Mclovin said:
labour never seem to be punished properly in the press for their wrong doings...
As you know - I am no Labour voter - but I disagree that Labour aren't getting taken to task by the press. The Telegraph has been discrediting as many Labour MPs as ones of other parties over the last few weeks...They couldn't really sink any lower in the polls than where they have been lately. People seem to have temporarily forgotten the real, they've fked up my country issues.
Could be the perfect time for a snap election? Does he have the balls? we will see!
This has hurt Labour far more than the Tories.
It's the average voter I worry about. I'm not sure they really understand flipping etc, other than that it is bad. Duck ponds and moats....well, in these trying economic times, I believe them to be more damaging. The gulf between the Tories and the average voter have been revealed to be as wide as ever before; perhaps I am just paranoid.
Do the public even remember what Dave's reaction was last week or the week before? This issue won't go away and with each fresh revalation, the anger levels rise again.
For instance, I don't know whether you watched Newsnight yesterday evening, but they had a feature on the Bromsgrove MP Julie somebody, a Tory. Her constituents are pretty angry, with good reason. However, the persons interviewed when asked if it would affect the way they vote, said yes. To me, that meant that they were going to vote Labour. I know it doesn't prove anything, but as an indication as to what might happen, it worried me.
As I mentioned earlier, I am just terrified of another 4-5 years of Broon. Totally and utterly, I'm going to emigrate, scared.
I just do not trust the country to ever do the right thing anymore. The UK is full of idiots.
to say that Julie Kirkbride is unpopular now would be an understatement
CMD is still supporting her I believe - -not sure how long he can do this
Unfortunately - Julie's husband came across as a smug tory of the highest order -- can't have helped her!
anyone remember her finance? - who died with the orange in his mouth
Fittster said:
One of the few things a conservative government could do which I would support would be to remove the BBC license fee (the fact there motivation would be revenge rather than the simple fact there shouldn't be a compulsory tax to own a television is irrelvant).
totally unimportant IMHO compared to the things they need to do!Personally I support the fee - if it keeps the BBC commercial free
Martial Arts Man said:
It's the average voter I worry about. I'm not sure they really understand flipping etc, other than that it is bad. Duck ponds and moats....well, in these trying economic times, I believe them to be more damaging. The gulf between the Tories and the average voter have been revealed to be as wide as ever before; perhaps I am just paranoid..
I just do not trust the country to ever do the right thing anymore. The UK is full of idiots.
You're soo right... the great unwashed, chavs, pikeys and doleites, council workers and quangoites are far too dim to understand anything except "the posh barstard with the duckpond and the moat" as this is pure class hysteria.I just do not trust the country to ever do the right thing anymore. The UK is full of idiots.
And of course typified by the arrogant twunt Steen with his jealousy rant!
The insiduous and basically criminal way the (mainly Labour) politicos have milked the system for everything and anything will only be remebered for its moats and duckhouses, not for the criminal activities for a muslim "Minister for Justice" (ha feckin ha) or a prn channel for a Ministeresses husband.
And I also despair that the great unwashed voted these labour twunts in 3 times FFS. I beleive they're daft enough to do it again when Horemoan, Badger and Broon next get up on their hind legs and spout their socialist propaganda, while laughing their way to their expense accounts.
Welcome to the Socialist (sh!t)State of very minor Britain!!
Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 27th May 11:23
Funk Odyssey said:
Fittster said:
One of the few things a conservative government could do which I would support would be to remove the BBC license fee (the fact there motivation would be revenge rather than the simple fact there shouldn't be a compulsory tax to own a television is irrelvant).
totally unimportant IMHO compared to the things they need to do!Personally I support the fee - if it keeps the BBC commercial free
anonymous said:
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Have you read the article?The basic concept seem to be DC bad because he inherited wealth. Well look at the out cry over inheritance tax, people hate that and complain bitterly when they think they will have to pay it. I raised a thread on this forum suggesting it would be better to raise inheritance tax rather than income tax to help fix the public finances. I don’t think I won many people over.
The article then goes on to suggest evil Tories will cut public spending/benefits. Newsflash, the next government, whoever makes it up will have to do that or the IMF will step in a do it.
The article is a leftwing hatchet job which doesn’t address the fundamental point that the public finances are screwed and someone is going to have to make some tough choices.
Invisible man said:
Funk Odyssey said:
Fittster said:
One of the few things a conservative government could do which I would support would be to remove the BBC license fee (the fact there motivation would be revenge rather than the simple fact there shouldn't be a compulsory tax to own a television is irrelvant).
totally unimportant IMHO compared to the things they need to do!Personally I support the fee - if it keeps the BBC commercial free
Quite a good piece which highlights Cameron's lack of financial understanding.
Together with Osbourn, these toffs have come up with NO plausible long-term fiscal plan other than vague mumblings of reducing tax for the rich.
Little Lord Fauntleroy has absolutely no personal investment in the OVERALL economic revival of the UK - whatever happens he'll still be rich, or even richer, but clearly it would be pleasant if he could help his cronies keep more of their billions.
Vote Tory, Vote Toff.
Together with Osbourn, these toffs have come up with NO plausible long-term fiscal plan other than vague mumblings of reducing tax for the rich.
Little Lord Fauntleroy has absolutely no personal investment in the OVERALL economic revival of the UK - whatever happens he'll still be rich, or even richer, but clearly it would be pleasant if he could help his cronies keep more of their billions.
Vote Tory, Vote Toff.
Fittster said:
Invisible man said:
Funk Odyssey said:
Fittster said:
One of the few things a conservative government could do which I would support would be to remove the BBC license fee (the fact there motivation would be revenge rather than the simple fact there shouldn't be a compulsory tax to own a television is irrelvant).
totally unimportant IMHO compared to the things they need to do!Personally I support the fee - if it keeps the BBC commercial free
I agree with you and don't think it's required any more because it isn't impartial, and we shouldn't be taxed for it. I don't agree with being forced to pay for a service to be free of commercials but agree with having the choice for people like yourself.
BOR said:
Quite a good piece which highlights Cameron's lack of financial understanding.
Together with Osbourn, these toffs have come up with NO plausible long-term fiscal plan other than vague mumblings of reducing tax for the rich.
Little Lord Fauntleroy has absolutely no personal investment in the OVERALL economic revival of the UK - whatever happens he'll still be rich, or even richer, but clearly it would be pleasant if he could help his cronies keep more of their billions.
Vote Tory, Vote Toff.
Tell me which of the following points you disagree with.Together with Osbourn, these toffs have come up with NO plausible long-term fiscal plan other than vague mumblings of reducing tax for the rich.
Little Lord Fauntleroy has absolutely no personal investment in the OVERALL economic revival of the UK - whatever happens he'll still be rich, or even richer, but clearly it would be pleasant if he could help his cronies keep more of their billions.
Vote Tory, Vote Toff.
1. The public finances are a mess because the government spends more than it gets in revenue.
2. The solution is either a) raise taxes, b) cut spending, c) raise taxes and cut spending.
As far a I can tell the Labour party think the solution is to raise taxes, Gordon and Co have made no suggestion that if they are re-elected they will cut spending.
Are you in favour of the Labour parties solution to fix the public finances?
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