1200 more travellers' sites
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EDP24 said:
Moves to add another 1,200 permanent travellers pitches across East Anglia have moved another step forward as a second public consultation on the plans came to an end.
Across Norfolk, where 156 more are planned before 2011, some councils are actively seeking sites, while others feel it is a waste of public money because there is no proven need.
Most district councils are being asked to find another 15 pitches, but the numbers are higher in some areas, such as King's Lynn and West Norfolk which needs another 53 and South Norfolk is earmarked for another 28.
The government says changes to gipsy and traveller provision is aimed at reducing the £18m annual bill for taking action against unauthorised sites.
Communities minister Sadiq Khan said it would stop the “vicious cycle of evictions” from unauthorised sites that was not only costly but also impacted on the quality of life for the travelling community and the wider public.
The authorised sites would also see the traveller residents responsible for paying council tax, rent and utility bills, like the settled community.
Only 1,140 of the 4,229 gipsy and traveller caravans in the region are currently on authorised sites, so 48 councils across the east are being allocated at least another 15 pitches through a regional planning blueprint.
King's Lynn and West Norfolk Borough council had accepted the 53 suggested pitches, which was in line with its own needs research, and was currently looking at a mixture of new sites and whether unauthorised ones were suitable for being made official, said strategic housing and community safety manager Duncan Hall.
South Norfolk Council has just finished an eight week public consultation to find three permanent gipsy and traveller sites with six to eight places on each.
They identified nine potential sites earlier this year on the A11, A47 and A143 corridors and are set to narrow down their options by the end of June.
But among those opposing the travellers strategy is North Norfolk, where a previous study to find the best locations for two transit travellers sites - due to be opened at Cromer and Fakenham next year - threw up evidence that there was not a need for any permanent site, as travellers only passed through briefly, and did not settle in the area for work.
The district council said it would be wrong to take a different approach to the settled community, whose new housing had to demonstrate need, and was concerned how permanent sites could be justified to local people and could result in “community tension.”
Parish councils are also adding their voice to the latest consultation is Aylmerton near Cromer, which was previously involved in protesting about a planned transit site in its patch.
Chairman John Rampling said the idea of spreading the sites across the region was flawed, because they needed to be in areas where travellers stayed, such as the Fens and Essex, because of work.
“Why does the government want to build a permanent site in North Norfolk, at enormous cost and when the country is in a dire financial situation, if there is no proven need?”
Across Norfolk, where 156 more are planned before 2011, some councils are actively seeking sites, while others feel it is a waste of public money because there is no proven need.
Most district councils are being asked to find another 15 pitches, but the numbers are higher in some areas, such as King's Lynn and West Norfolk which needs another 53 and South Norfolk is earmarked for another 28.
The government says changes to gipsy and traveller provision is aimed at reducing the £18m annual bill for taking action against unauthorised sites.
Communities minister Sadiq Khan said it would stop the “vicious cycle of evictions” from unauthorised sites that was not only costly but also impacted on the quality of life for the travelling community and the wider public.
The authorised sites would also see the traveller residents responsible for paying council tax, rent and utility bills, like the settled community.
Only 1,140 of the 4,229 gipsy and traveller caravans in the region are currently on authorised sites, so 48 councils across the east are being allocated at least another 15 pitches through a regional planning blueprint.
King's Lynn and West Norfolk Borough council had accepted the 53 suggested pitches, which was in line with its own needs research, and was currently looking at a mixture of new sites and whether unauthorised ones were suitable for being made official, said strategic housing and community safety manager Duncan Hall.
South Norfolk Council has just finished an eight week public consultation to find three permanent gipsy and traveller sites with six to eight places on each.
They identified nine potential sites earlier this year on the A11, A47 and A143 corridors and are set to narrow down their options by the end of June.
But among those opposing the travellers strategy is North Norfolk, where a previous study to find the best locations for two transit travellers sites - due to be opened at Cromer and Fakenham next year - threw up evidence that there was not a need for any permanent site, as travellers only passed through briefly, and did not settle in the area for work.
The district council said it would be wrong to take a different approach to the settled community, whose new housing had to demonstrate need, and was concerned how permanent sites could be justified to local people and could result in “community tension.”
Parish councils are also adding their voice to the latest consultation is Aylmerton near Cromer, which was previously involved in protesting about a planned transit site in its patch.
Chairman John Rampling said the idea of spreading the sites across the region was flawed, because they needed to be in areas where travellers stayed, such as the Fens and Essex, because of work.
“Why does the government want to build a permanent site in North Norfolk, at enormous cost and when the country is in a dire financial situation, if there is no proven need?”
Good idea. Charge them the going rate for caravans, which must be over £20 a night. Put the money into the local cummuinity and force their kids to continue in main stream education until they have qualifications.
(I stayed in a Campsite at Malham cove and 4 back packers cost £5 each a night).
(I stayed in a Campsite at Malham cove and 4 back packers cost £5 each a night).
colonel c said:
they needed to be in areas where travellers stayed, such as the Fens and Essex, because of work.
What work?And as noted above, if they didn't camp on private land, they wouldn't get evicted. When they pay tax and/or contribute to society in some way shape or form then I'd have no problems with providing temporary sites (as long as they also paid for the removal of their rubbish).
Nothing wrong with travellers. They're a happy-go-lucky traditional lifestyle community.
Try telling that to the bare knuckle boxer who was attacked, in view of about 900 people including women and children, by 8 machete wielding pikeys at Appleby Harness races on Monday. Apparantly he was squealing like a stuck pig before the Police eventually arrived to rescue him before his hands were chopped off.
Oh joy, two weeks until Appleby 'Horse Fair' kicks off.
Try telling that to the bare knuckle boxer who was attacked, in view of about 900 people including women and children, by 8 machete wielding pikeys at Appleby Harness races on Monday. Apparantly he was squealing like a stuck pig before the Police eventually arrived to rescue him before his hands were chopped off.
Oh joy, two weeks until Appleby 'Horse Fair' kicks off.
This does not affect any one area, the consultation is UK wide...
Having been involved in the consultation the problem is far reaching. If you dont have many sites in your county, you could well be seeing a lot more if your Council and Borough Coucils have not been thorough in their due diligence and responses...
From what I can remember of the consultation planning overview some area increases are very significant...
The wording of the consultation document has been inconsistent (Spin) and has used terminology such as 'Sites for Travelling Show People' current iterations are now referring to 'Gypsies, Travellers and Travelling Show People'...
Having been involved in the consultation the problem is far reaching. If you dont have many sites in your county, you could well be seeing a lot more if your Council and Borough Coucils have not been thorough in their due diligence and responses...
From what I can remember of the consultation planning overview some area increases are very significant...
The wording of the consultation document has been inconsistent (Spin) and has used terminology such as 'Sites for Travelling Show People' current iterations are now referring to 'Gypsies, Travellers and Travelling Show People'...
So if you choose to live in a caravan you can ignore mostly all of the laws..... and the government will help you get "special" treatment above those who actually pay taxes..... Greaaatt..... im moving to N.Korea... might be a bit fairer!There is a site local to me they had on the news where some pikeys had bought a 2 acre plot and just moved in and started building work without any planning consent..... The local council are refusing to step in and stop them.... There is a chap down the road who wants to put in a patio and cant due to planning rules... but these pikeys are well above the law! Its not right!
tegwin said:
So if you choose to live in a caravan you can ignore mostly all of the laws..... and the government will help you get "special" treatment above those who actually pay taxes..... Greaaatt..... im moving to N.Korea... might be a bit fairer!There is a site local to me they had on the news where some pikeys had bought a 2 acre plot and just moved in and started building work without any planning consent..... The local council are refusing to step in and stop them.... There is a chap down the road who wants to put in a patio and cant due to planning rules... but these pikeys are well above the law! Its not right!
I mean, the guy doing his patio; What stops him from just getting on with it, and when the council no doubt take him to court, what stops him from saying "the gypo's are doing it, so why can't I?"
Surely the court would not be able to upheld the council's ruling if they are allowing the gypos to build without permission.
I really don't understand how they get away with this sort of thing.
If there is one part of society that is a prime candidate for a form of organised extermination, its the Pikey community. They move from area to area after draining and ruining the local area like the parasites they are.
Lets round the buggers up, we have a good track record for it and I don't think the general populous would care if the 'problem' went away. They would be enjoying the power from a new breed of biofuel powerstations.
Lets round the buggers up, we have a good track record for it and I don't think the general populous would care if the 'problem' went away. They would be enjoying the power from a new breed of biofuel powerstations.
tegwin said:
So if you choose to live in a caravan you can ignore mostly all of the laws..... and the government will help you get "special" treatment above those who actually pay taxes..... Greaaatt..... im moving to N.Korea... might be a bit fairer!There is a site local to me they had on the news where some pikeys had bought a 2 acre plot and just moved in and started building work without any planning consent..... The local council are refusing to step in and stop them.... There is a chap down the road who wants to put in a patio and cant due to planning rules... but these pikeys are well above the law! Its not right!
Pikeys and Polytunnels are two of my favourite subject with s
te planning authorities we have in Kent... Cover our countryside in plastic or pikey camps... Welcome to Kent - The doormat of England
scumbags! my dodge ram was broken into over christmas by these scumbags they caused £400 worth of damage just to pinch a set of flashing lights! (£40 pounds worth) the police dont want to do any thing....
im wanting to wire my trailer to a mains supply just in case it has 4 locks on but as the saying goes "what key can undo any lock? a pikey!"
im wanting to wire my trailer to a mains supply just in case it has 4 locks on but as the saying goes "what key can undo any lock? a pikey!"
Somewhatfoolish said:
If we can get them into mainstream education and mainstream society, then they will stop being pikeys - surely this will benefit us all..
Have you seen some of the children turned out by mainstream education and mainstream society. Simple solution would be to abolish the welfare state.10 Pence Short said:
Nothing wrong with travellers. They're a happy-go-lucky traditional lifestyle community.
Try telling that to the bare knuckle boxer who was attacked, in view of about 900 people including women and children, by 8 machete wielding pikeys at Appleby Harness races on Monday. Apparantly he was squealing like a stuck pig before the Police eventually arrived to rescue him before his hands were chopped off.
Oh joy, two weeks until Appleby 'Horse Fair' kicks off.
Wonderfull! Try telling that to the bare knuckle boxer who was attacked, in view of about 900 people including women and children, by 8 machete wielding pikeys at Appleby Harness races on Monday. Apparantly he was squealing like a stuck pig before the Police eventually arrived to rescue him before his hands were chopped off.
Oh joy, two weeks until Appleby 'Horse Fair' kicks off.
I always get an upturn in business this time of year in that general area.
A lot of farmers and local companies all of a sudden require alarms and trackers installing on there plant machinery. See the lovely pikeys work there way slowly to the appleby fair...
Generally a lot of 'stuff' goes walkies.
I have to drive past a lot of em later, disgusting cretins.
Fittster said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
If we can get them into mainstream education and mainstream society, then they will stop being pikeys - surely this will benefit us all..
Have you seen some of the children turned out by mainstream education and mainstream society. Simple solution would be to abolish the welfare state.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff