Fancy arresting an MP?
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Infamous looney blooger, Old Holborn, is planning to perform some citizens' arrests upon dodgy MPs a week tomorrow... if I can make the time, I for one will certainly be attending. 9am, 1st June, Palace of Westminster.
Further information at http://b
doldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/time...
DIE THIEVING SCUM DIE!
Further information at http://b
doldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/time...DIE THIEVING SCUM DIE!
The swear filter seems to be messing up the web address. 
ETA: This should work. http://tinyurl.com/q739h6
ETA: This should work. http://tinyurl.com/q739h6
Edited by robinhood21 on Monday 25th May 00:16
Jasandjules said:
If the mainstream news gets hold of it, this could REALLY be fun.
No doubt he'll be locked up under anti terrorism legislation.What we really need is hundreds of thousands to attend. Then the police can do nothing.
Pledge to take next Monday off work and storm parliament. You know it makes sense!
Somewhatfoolish said:
Jasandjules said:
If the mainstream news gets hold of it, this could REALLY be fun.
No doubt he'll be locked up under anti terrorism legislation.Somewhatfoolish said:
Infamous looney blooger, Old Holborn, is planning to perform some citizens' arrests upon dodgy MPs a week tomorrow... if I can make the time, I for one will certainly be attending. 9am, 1st June, Palace of Westminster.
Further information at http://bdoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/time...
DIE THIEVING SCUM DIE!
Under what power?Further information at http://b
doldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/time...DIE THIEVING SCUM DIE!
ExChrispy Porker said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Infamous looney blooger, Old Holborn, is planning to perform some citizens' arrests upon dodgy MPs a week tomorrow... if I can make the time, I for one will certainly be attending. 9am, 1st June, Palace of Westminster.
Further information at http://bdoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/time...
DIE THIEVING SCUM DIE!
Under what power?Further information at http://b
doldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/time...DIE THIEVING SCUM DIE!
I'm not necessarily saying that legally it makes any sense, of course... the main thing is to try
ExChrispy Porker said:
Jasandjules said:
ExChrispy Porker said:
Under what power?
Are you asking under what authority can a citizens arrest be made? Suspicion is not enough IIRC. ( it's been a while)
IIRC to arrest for an indictable offence ( Fraud) a MOP must KNOW that the offence has been committed and that the person they are arresting has committed it.
Many of us SUSPECT that MP's have committed fraud but I would argue that we do not know this. ( how can we, based on media reports )
Only the police can arrest on suspicion, and therefore I would say that this person is on very dodgy legal ground indeed.
Of course, if you disturb someone breaking into your house, car etc you DO know that he is committing an offence so the problem with suspicion does not arise.
Many of us SUSPECT that MP's have committed fraud but I would argue that we do not know this. ( how can we, based on media reports )
Only the police can arrest on suspicion, and therefore I would say that this person is on very dodgy legal ground indeed.
Of course, if you disturb someone breaking into your house, car etc you DO know that he is committing an offence so the problem with suspicion does not arise.
ExChrispy Porker said:
IIRC to arrest for an indictable offence ( Fraud) a MOP must KNOW that the offence has been committed and that the person they are arresting has committed it.
Many of us SUSPECT that MP's have committed fraud but I would argue that we do not know this. ( how can we, based on media reports )
Only the police can arrest on suspicion, and therefore I would say that this person is on very dodgy legal ground indeed.
Of course, if you disturb someone breaking into your house, car etc you DO know that he is committing an offence so the problem with suspicion does not arise.
Nope, some of the MPs have lodged claims for mortgages they don't have. The paperwork is evidence. If we suspect that such an offence is being committed then a citizens arrest can be made (there is the clear differential between a citizen and a plod arrest though, the offence must be in progress at the material time, save for arresting a felon at large IIRC)... Many of us SUSPECT that MP's have committed fraud but I would argue that we do not know this. ( how can we, based on media reports )
Only the police can arrest on suspicion, and therefore I would say that this person is on very dodgy legal ground indeed.
Of course, if you disturb someone breaking into your house, car etc you DO know that he is committing an offence so the problem with suspicion does not arise.
When someone breaks into your house, you do not know that they have the intent to steal, they may simply be trespassing or committing criminal damage by breaking a window.. I am reminded of the case of the fellow outside a Post Office with a swag bag............
A citizens arrest can be made if someone suspects that an indictable offence is being committed (which is the example you gave actually) i.e. they suspect that the chap breaking in to their house is going to burgle it.
Quinny said:
Chrispy,
Say I'd been burgled, and someone down the road says that no gooder druggie at No6 he's the one wot dunnit.
Can I go to No6 and perform a citizens arrest on him??
No. But the police could. I must add, it's ages since I studied powers of arrest. A real police officer may be along to clarify. Say I'd been burgled, and someone down the road says that no gooder druggie at No6 he's the one wot dunnit.
Can I go to No6 and perform a citizens arrest on him??
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