WHO ARE THE GOOD MPS?
Discussion
I'm just wondering.
So we've heard nothing but bad news about parliament in the last few weeks, bad news and dirty revelations sell, but are there MPs that we can safely say have not milked the expenses system? If so who are they - is one your local MP? Are they competent as well as honest? I was listening to R2 (yes I know) last week and Jeremy Vine asked some old politician what proportion of MPs had been on the fiddle - all of them, half of them or a few of them. He obviously refused to give an answer of any kind. Is it really the case that the majority of them are on the take?
So we've heard nothing but bad news about parliament in the last few weeks, bad news and dirty revelations sell, but are there MPs that we can safely say have not milked the expenses system? If so who are they - is one your local MP? Are they competent as well as honest? I was listening to R2 (yes I know) last week and Jeremy Vine asked some old politician what proportion of MPs had been on the fiddle - all of them, half of them or a few of them. He obviously refused to give an answer of any kind. Is it really the case that the majority of them are on the take?
My vote for the winners (or current frontrunners) are the duckpond one and the wacky old retard with the big house who thinks we hate him coz we're jealous! Dunno which 'parties' these scumsters were fronting but you could hardly say whichever ones they're from have any idea what their employees are like.
We may as well face it, there are as many honest MPs as there are straight cops, or normally sexually orientated priests.
Hurry up, Jesus! The End most certainly appears to be Nigh!
We may as well face it, there are as many honest MPs as there are straight cops, or normally sexually orientated priests.
Hurry up, Jesus! The End most certainly appears to be Nigh!
noone from nulabour....they propose to keep on increasing wasting public spending with increased taxation for no benefit...more bureaucrazy, more spying on us...
noone from lib dems because their basically repackaged nulabour...
noone from bnp because nazis are the lowest form of scum....down there with the worst of society...
noone from the green party because that would mean even more crazy corrupt green ideas...
noone from lib dems because their basically repackaged nulabour...
noone from bnp because nazis are the lowest form of scum....down there with the worst of society...
noone from the green party because that would mean even more crazy corrupt green ideas...
Not many answers, only sweeping generalisations that mean nothing.
One thing that I like about this scandal is the timing. Just as the weak minded were starting to see the Tories as some kind of saviour party, as they did with Labour in 97, it all comes out that all parties have the same crooked element and in fact it's some of the Conservative MPs that have committed the most outrageous 'moral frauds' and that it's some of their party that have displayed the most arrogant reactions to being found out. A general election will be a good opportunity for new blood and a purge of the rotten representatives.
It would be good to know which particular MPs are in it for what they can do for us, regardless of political party affiliation, who have provided a good service and have not milked the system for personal gain.
One thing that I like about this scandal is the timing. Just as the weak minded were starting to see the Tories as some kind of saviour party, as they did with Labour in 97, it all comes out that all parties have the same crooked element and in fact it's some of the Conservative MPs that have committed the most outrageous 'moral frauds' and that it's some of their party that have displayed the most arrogant reactions to being found out. A general election will be a good opportunity for new blood and a purge of the rotten representatives.
It would be good to know which particular MPs are in it for what they can do for us, regardless of political party affiliation, who have provided a good service and have not milked the system for personal gain.
Here you go- cheapest to most expensive by the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th May 11:52
There are a large number of MPs, from all parties, who have not abused the system and stayed within both the spirit and letter of the rules.
Along with their more lurid revalations the Telegraph has been detailing 4-6 'saints' each day who have tried to claim as litle as possible from the 2nd homes allowance.
Hopefully once all the information has been revealed it will be easy to check up on your local MP.
Along with their more lurid revalations the Telegraph has been detailing 4-6 'saints' each day who have tried to claim as litle as possible from the 2nd homes allowance.
Hopefully once all the information has been revealed it will be easy to check up on your local MP.
So, here is a good case. My local MP's (Reigate & Banstead) 2007-8 expenses.
Name: Blunt, Mr Crispin
Party: CON
Constituency: Reigate
Distance from Westminster: 22 miles
2nd home cost: 23,083
Travel: 3,123
Reigate itself is just outside the southern edge of the M25. In fact the constituency is Reigate & Banstead so it bridges the M25 by 4 miles or so either side. It is lush prime commuter country so why does need a 2nd home ? A black cab will do it for £60 late at night. The train is circa 40 mins to central London.
His travel claim could be an international trip prescribed by parliament, somehow I doubt it - and it will be for traveling between Reigate and Westminster. I cannot claim for travel to & from work, so why should they ?
He's presumably done nothing wrong - and certainly wouldn't think he had judging by the other MP's who have been interviewed, he's just claimed within the rules. And that my friends is the crux of the matter.
If he knocks on the door whilst canvessing I will ask him.
Its looking like 25% of MP's are clean, 25% are in serious hot water with potential fraud etc, and 50% have just claimed because they can.
Name: Blunt, Mr Crispin
Party: CON
Constituency: Reigate
Distance from Westminster: 22 miles
2nd home cost: 23,083
Travel: 3,123
Reigate itself is just outside the southern edge of the M25. In fact the constituency is Reigate & Banstead so it bridges the M25 by 4 miles or so either side. It is lush prime commuter country so why does need a 2nd home ? A black cab will do it for £60 late at night. The train is circa 40 mins to central London.
His travel claim could be an international trip prescribed by parliament, somehow I doubt it - and it will be for traveling between Reigate and Westminster. I cannot claim for travel to & from work, so why should they ?
He's presumably done nothing wrong - and certainly wouldn't think he had judging by the other MP's who have been interviewed, he's just claimed within the rules. And that my friends is the crux of the matter.
If he knocks on the door whilst canvessing I will ask him.
Its looking like 25% of MP's are clean, 25% are in serious hot water with potential fraud etc, and 50% have just claimed because they can.
glazbagun said:
Here you go- cheapest to most expensive by the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
That's a good list but a bloody minefield! It's strange how some members spend largely in some areas, say travel, and spend little in other areas such as wages. Another MP from a similar area could spend the same overall amount but in entirely different categories -say lots on wages and little on travel.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th May 11:52
It's wierd that one MP can get by with a 50k wages bill yet others have to spend double that. Who here is represented by Phillip Hollobone? By god he's cheap! Is he any good though? Are we getting more of a service from Claire Short than we are from Phillip Hollobone, considering she spends about 100k more than him in that category? That said Mr Hollobone has his second home paid to the max!
KANEIT said:
glazbagun said:
Here you go- cheapest to most expensive by the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
That's a good list but a bloody minefield! It's strange how some members spend largely in some areas, say travel, and spend little in other areas such as wages. Another MP from a similar area could spend the same overall amount but in entirely different categories -say lots on wages and little on travel.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th May 11:52
It's wierd that one MP can get by with a 50k wages bill yet others have to spend double that. Who here is represented by Phillip Hollobone? By god he's cheap! Is he any good though? Are we getting more of a service from Claire Short than we are from Phillip Hollobone, considering she spends about 100k more than him in that category? That said Mr Hollobone has his second home paid to the max!
glazbagun said:
Here you go- cheapest to most expensive by the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
feck me tony b Liar is on there with a second home????????http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm...
Although I don't know if this includes *every* MP or just those the Telegraph has outed. There doesnt seem to be a pattern according to party.
Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th May 11:52
he lived in downing stree ten years to that point, not to mention that chequers place
arrest him NOW
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