The effective death of Labour

[Funk Odyssey]

Guam said:

Given the latest poll projections and the daily (nay hourly it seems) worsening of the morass labour finds itself in. Could we be seeing the effective end of the labour party as a major political force?

People forget that at one time the "Two Party" system was dominated by the Libs and the Tory's then the Libs ceased to be an effective political force.

Could the same thing be happening here?


Cheers


Tom

people said the same about the Tories a few years ago

[chris watton]

Funk Odyssey said:

Guam said:

Given the latest poll projections and the daily (nay hourly it seems) worsening of the morass labour finds itself in. Could we be seeing the effective end of the labour party as a major political force?

People forget that at one time the "Two Party" system was dominated by the Libs and the Tory's then the Libs ceased to be an effective political force.

Could the same thing be happening here?


Cheers


Tom

True - However, as I wrote in a post yesterday, the BIG difference is that the Tories did not leave the UK in such a financial state and at the mercy of the IMF - future generations will be paying for this government's betrayal of the people they were meant to serve.
Sha-ing the secretary seems like small fry in comparison to the (seemingly intentional) deconstruction of the UK, both socially and economically.

people said the same about the Tories a few years ago

[Puggit]

Guam said:

Funk Odyssey said:

Guam said:

Given the latest poll projections and the daily (nay hourly it seems) worsening of the morass labour finds itself in. Could we be seeing the effective end of the labour party as a major political force?

People forget that at one time the "Two Party" system was dominated by the Libs and the Tory's then the Libs ceased to be an effective political force.

Could the same thing be happening here?


Cheers


Tom

people said the same about the Tories a few years ago

Must be getting old I dont remember speculation of that kind then? I recall it being postulated that they may be out of power for a few years (as with Labour previously) just seems this is of a different order of magnitude?

Cheers

Labour currently on 20% of the vote, Tories reached 18.5% under Major.

[Invisible man]

UKIP is predicted to overtake em. Their last PM was questioned by the Met over titles for cash and the current one was summoned by Her Maj because some of his boys have committed fraud and others have taken the piss with their expenses, I know this accusation applies to the other parties but this happened under Labours watch
I'd say they've had their lot this time

[Fort Jefferson]

Invisible man said:

UKIP is predicted to overtake em. Their last PM was questioned by the Met over titles for cash and the current one was summoned by Her Maj because some of his boys have committed fraud and others have taken the piss with their expenses, I know this accusation applies to the other parties but this happened under Labours watch
I'd say they've had their lot this time

Well, she spoke to him during their regular weekly meet, anyway.

[Puggit]

Guam said:

Puggit said:

Guam said:

Funk Odyssey said:

Guam said:

Given the latest poll projections and the daily (nay hourly it seems) worsening of the morass labour finds itself in. Could we be seeing the effective end of the labour party as a major political force?

People forget that at one time the "Two Party" system was dominated by the Libs and the Tory's then the Libs ceased to be an effective political force.

Could the same thing be happening here?


Cheers


Tom

people said the same about the Tories a few years ago

Must be getting old I dont remember speculation of that kind then? I recall it being postulated that they may be out of power for a few years (as with Labour previously) just seems this is of a different order of magnitude?

Cheers

Labour currently on 20% of the vote, Tories reached 18.5% under Major.

Sorry 17% in one poll

That's a Euro-voting intention poll.

For a general election, Labour are still on 20%

[Invisible man]

Fort Jefferson said:

Invisible man said:

UKIP is predicted to overtake em. Their last PM was questioned by the Met over titles for cash and the current one was summoned by Her Maj because some of his boys have committed fraud and others have taken the piss with their expenses, I know this accusation applies to the other parties but this happened under Labours watch
I'd say they've had their lot this time

Well, she spoke to him during their regular weekly meet, anyway.

sssshh.....don't spoil it for me

[Puggit]

I get my figures from here:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/

There are no council election voting intentions featured. I guess because they are the least important votes of the 3.

[Randy Winkman]

Politics is like the economy. It goes in cycles. But each time, people say "Ah, but it's different this time."

[Bing o]

Randy Winkman said:

Politics is like the economy. It goes in cycles. But each time, people say "Ah, but it's different this time."

That's what the Whigs said at the turn of the last century....

[Puggit]

Guam said:

personally I feel that given the tendencies to state different intentions for differing types of elections in the past, we are in uncharted territory right now, the upcoming elections are the first actual barometer of sentiment following this tirade of bad news. Certainly many of the commentators and even Politicians seem to take the Euro intentions as a more serious barometer than they have previously?

In fact even Labour Mps's have apparently been speculating on Gordooms future following a poor result?

The knives are drawn and his enemies are looking for a good reason to kick him while he's down.

Featuring behind the LibDems and/or UKIP is explosive enough to be that good reason.

If this election happened during the good times, people would say it was just a protest vote against the government in power. As you'll have noticed, times are very much different

[Don]

It is by no means guaranteed but these are exciting times in British Politics. There is the whiff of change in the air.

I think a lot is going to depend on whether or not the Scots migrate to the SNP in ever greater numbers. England already "voted Tory" in the last election. With an increase in that and a defection to the SNP in Scotland things could really change.

No guarantee they will. Voters can be more "conservative" in elections than they are in polls. We'll see.

It would be absolutely amazing if the Lib Dems became the official opposition.

[Gunny Sergeant D]

The Tories could seriously dent lab, just fail to stand in any constituency where there is no hope of winning and the Libs could edge the w@nk3rs in a number of seats

[Martial Arts Man]

Whether Labour dies or not depends on one thing and one thing only. Money.

Can they raise enough in opposition to effectively be the opposition? Without turning to the unions for 100% funding, which would seal their fate in a different sense.

Couldn't wish it on a nicer bunch.

[Randy Winkman]

Bing o said:

Randy Winkman said:

Politics is like the economy. It goes in cycles. But each time, people say "Ah, but it's different this time."

That's what the Whigs said at the turn of the last century....

I assume you mean "the last but one turn of the century" - which goes to show how far back you are looking.

[Asterix]

Lets look at two of the main offices - those of the Prime Minister and Speaker.

Both are reeling bt what is more interesting is how they've been managed. When ever I read about them, 'bullying','reign of terror', 'he exploded in a rage of fury', etc...

Is this how we want to be led and governed?

Probably not.

I also believe that teh Labouir partys will disintegrate from within to start with with the very old Labour lot taking initial control due to heartland majorities and we know that the electorate will not touch that with a barge pole as long as the memories exist of this lot.

Edited by Asterix on Sunday 17th May 11:28

[herewego]

Invisible man said:

UKIP is predicted to overtake em. Their last PM was questioned by the Met over titles for cash and the current one was summoned by Her Maj because some of his boys have committed fraud and others have taken the piss with their expenses, I know this accusation applies to the other parties but this happened under Labours watch
I'd say they've had their lot this time

Not a summoning as I understand it, but then I don't read the wail. They had their usual weekly chat, that's all. Nothing new here.

[s2art]

Randy Winkman said:

Bing o said:

Randy Winkman said:

Politics is like the economy. It goes in cycles. But each time, people say "Ah, but it's different this time."

That's what the Whigs said at the turn of the last century....

I assume you mean "the last but one turn of the century" - which goes to show how far back you are looking.

Substitute Liberals for Whigs and he is not far out.Arguably the modern Lib-Dem party is not a Liberal party as it used to be understood.

[herewego]

Martial Arts Man said:

Whether Labour dies or not depends on one thing and one thing only. Money.

Can they raise enough in opposition to effectively be the opposition? Without turning to the unions for 100% funding, which would seal their fate in a different sense.

Couldn't wish it on a nicer bunch.

There were supposed to be some changes to the financing system to both limit union funds but also to prevent the Tories buying the seats.

[Gunny Sergeant D]

Guam said:

Gunny Sergeant D said:

The Tories could seriously dent lab, just fail to stand in any constituency where there is no hope of winning and the Libs could edge the w@nk3rs in a number of seats

Looking at some of the spreads in figures we could be faced with a realistic possibility of a coalition government if this keeps up, I wonder whether that would be a bad thing in the greater scheme of things for the next 10 years?

I could deal with a Whig-Tory coalition.