Cameron grows some.

[Duke of Rothesay]

Norman Tebbit, still a sitting MP, has gone public telling people not to vote for the main parties.
Cameron has told him to shut up or he will be an independent candidate at the next election.

Cameron was the first to apologise over expenses. Clegg and stroke victim copied this.
Cameron was the first to say his MPs would be refunding where their claims were wrong. Clegg and one eye copied this.

Cameron is going to publish all his MP expenses claim.

And he has said that any of his MPs not toeing the line of his whiter than white policy will be deselected.

In fact Cameron has been mightily impressive over the last few days. Something the Brown Broadcasting Corporation are under reporting.

[Einion Yrth]

Duke of Rothesay said:

Cameron was the first to say his MPs would be refunding where their claims were wrong.

And if a burglar offers to give you back all the stuff he knicked from your house, do you let him off? I think not.

Not enough, not nearly enough. The man will probably be the next PM, but only because the scum have rigged the game so that we have no alternative.

[Jasandjules]

I think he is made of sterner stuff than people give him credit for anyways.

[Duke of Rothesay]

Einion Yrth said:

Duke of Rothesay said:

Cameron was the first to say his MPs would be refunding where their claims were wrong.

And if a burglar offers to give you back all the stuff he knicked from your house, do you let him off? I think not.

Not enough, not nearly enough. The man will probably be the next PM, but only because the scum have rigged the game so that we have no alternative.

Cameron's own expenses were completely above board.

He did not know of his own MPs abuse of the system. But when he found out he immediately appologised to the public, laid into his few erring MPs to correct what they had done and then put measures in place to prevent it ever happening again. Impressive stuff if you had been following events.

Compare and contrast with Clegg, who just followed Cameron and was nowhere near as firm.

And then look at the mouth breathing Scot. He made mealy mouthed excuses for several days and only apologised when he had no option but to folloow Cameron's example.

I was not a fan of Cameron before this. But now I have been converted by his clear and firm leadership at what is a difficult time for all politicians and when all the other leaders have been running round like headless chickens.

What pisses me off is how the media have massively under reported just how good Cameron has been.

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Duke of Rothesay said:

In fact Cameron has been mightily impressive over the last few days.

Oh please.

He is only doing what he is doing to save his position, nothing more nothing less.

Sorry is very easy to say, they're sorry they got caught and the st has hit the fan.

If anybody believes they are truly sorry then your the fool they have taken you for.

[Dunk76]

Einion Yrth said:

The man will probably be the next PM, but only because the scum have rigged the game so that we have no alternative.

Eh?

So New Labour's policies have ruined the country, and LibDems washy stand-for-nothing vagueness has been engineered specifically to give you no choice in the next General Election?

My Children's Guinea Pig could lead the Tories to Election Victory, such is the state of Labour.

Edited by Dunk76 on Wednesday 13th May 08:10

[Duke of Rothesay]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Duke of Rothesay said:

In fact Cameron has been mightily impressive over the last few days.

Oh please.

He is only doing what he is doing to save his position, nothing more nothing less.

Sorry is very easy to say, they're sorry they got caught and the st has hit the fan.

If anybody believes they are truly sorry then your the fool they have taken you for.

I don't think so. He has led when other have been making excuses. How many labour politicians have we seen on the box justifying what they had done?
Cameron did none of this. As soon as Conservative MPs were implicated he apologised and he acted to fix the problem. He has been in a different class over the last few days. Seriously.

[digger_R]

Einion Yrth said:

Duke of Rothesay said:

Cameron was the first to say his MPs would be refunding where their claims were wrong.

And if a burglar offers to give you back all the stuff he knicked from your house, do you let him off? I think not.

Not enough, not nearly enough. The man will probably be the next PM, but only because the scum have rigged the game so that we have no alternative.

Absolutely agree, investigations for fraud should be initiated along with prosecution for abuse of public office. Add to that a freeze of individuals assets under the laws passed circa five years ago with regard to the proceeds of crime and they might begin to realise the magnitude of what they have been involved with.
Though it won't come to that, as they are above the law

[Duke of Rothesay]

The Daily Telegraph reads Pistonheads. This just posted:

MPs' expenses: courageous David Cameron shows how to lead

Telegraph View: In contrast to Monday's wretched display, when a petulant Speaker reflected only the worst, self-exculpatory instincts of the Westminster village, we had a bracing blast of genuine leadership from David Cameron. etc etc etc



source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

[Spiritual_Beggar]

All this is atm is a lot of talk.

No actions yet!


As far as I'm concerned; until I see positive action, it's all just political rhetoric.



Don't be so niaive as to believe what Cameron says just because he said it. He's a Politician.....they are all Liars! He needs to back up his words with serious action before I start jumping on the Tory bandwagon.

Remember....they are all going to say what they think 'WE' want to hear.

[Duke of Rothesay]

Spiritual_Beggar said:

All this is atm is a lot of talk.

No actions yet!


As far as I'm concerned; until I see positive action, it's all just political rhetoric.



Don't be so niaive as to believe what Cameron says just because he said it. He's a Politician.....they are all Liars! He needs to back up his words with serious action before I start jumping on the Tory bandwagon.

Remember....they are all going to say what they think 'WE' want to hear.

Here is some of the Cameron action:

Mr Cameron has set up a scrutiny panel to look at all excessive claims. If a request to pay cash back is refused, the MP involved will be expelled from the parliamentary party. Proposals to prevent further abuse are even more sweeping. All Conservative MPs will have to publish their expenses claims online as they make them; the practice of "home flipping", on which we have all become such experts, will be banned; profits made on property transactions that the taxpayer has part-funded will be subjected to capital gains tax; and the John Lewis list will go. Tory MPs will in future be allowed to claim only for accommodation – not for furniture, food or household goods.

[Gunny Sergeant D]

Duke,

first rule in politics, people only hear what they want to hear. I agree with what you're saying. For the record Dave has clearly articulated the challenges the country faces, if he acts in the same way against those challenges then we are going to have an epic term in politics. Of course the Lab apologists will run interference, but just ignore the ignorant.

[tom g]

digger_R said:

Einion Yrth said:

Duke of Rothesay said:

Cameron was the first to say his MPs would be refunding where their claims were wrong.

And if a burglar offers to give you back all the stuff he knicked from your house, do you let him off? I think not.

Not enough, not nearly enough. The man will probably be the next PM, but only because the scum have rigged the game so that we have no alternative.

Absolutely agree, investigations for fraud should be initiated along with prosecution for abuse of public office. Add to that a freeze of individuals assets under the laws passed circa five years ago with regard to the proceeds of crime and they might begin to realise the magnitude of what they have been involved with.
Though it won't come to that, as they are above the law

Fraud?? Which law was broken?

Personally I don't give a cr@p about the expenses debacle - the "tax-payers money" that gets wasted by poor policies and inefficiencies completely overshadows this.

It does highlight good leadership and public confidence in cameron though.

[off_again]

Duke of Rothesay said:

In fact Cameron has been mightily impressive over the last few days.

I would agree that Cameron has proved that he is able to stand up and be counted, but lets not get carried away here. This is little more than making political gains in the light of some seriously adverse press. He has decided to take the bull by the horns and address the issues. Does this show he is 'growing some'? Nah, he's a politician and he knows that he has a lot to gain and potentially a lot to lose. In this case it seems to be working, but at the end, he is still a politician and this is simply a political move.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Duke of Rothesay said:

Spiritual_Beggar said:

All this is atm is a lot of talk.

No actions yet!


As far as I'm concerned; until I see positive action, it's all just political rhetoric.



Don't be so niaive as to believe what Cameron says just because he said it. He's a Politician.....they are all Liars! He needs to back up his words with serious action before I start jumping on the Tory bandwagon.

Remember....they are all going to say what they think 'WE' want to hear.

Here is some of the Cameron action:

Mr Cameron has set up a scrutiny panel to look at all excessive claims. If a request to pay cash back is refused, the MP involved will be expelled from the parliamentary party. Proposals to prevent further abuse are even more sweeping. All Conservative MPs will have to publish their expenses claims online as they make them; the practice of "home flipping", on which we have all become such experts, will be banned; profits made on property transactions that the taxpayer has part-funded will be subjected to capital gains tax; and the John Lewis list will go. Tory MPs will in future be allowed to claim only for accommodation – not for furniture, food or household goods.

And has this been put into effect yet? Have we seen any positive results because of it?


Don't get me wrong, I completely applaud Cameron for his stance atm. He seems like the only one willing to take the right action, or at least the first one to acknowledge what need's to be done. I think the guy has the potential to be quite good for the country, and in recent weeks has really put the pressure on Brown (though there's been a lot of finger pointing, and havent really heard much about how he would do things differently).

But you seem to think he is different from the rest of the Politicians....when he is not. It will take a lot more than some sympathetic apologies, and forced actions, to get me trusting them again. Put it this way, if the papers hadn't leaked all this, would Cameron have spoken out about the system? Would he be pushing for changes? Would he ever!!

That is all I'm saying. People have told us what we want to hear before (a certain Labour Government stprings to mind)

[loltolhurst]

Duke of Rothesay said:

The Daily Telegraph reads Pistonheads. This just posted:

MPs' expenses: courageous David Cameron shows how to lead

Telegraph View: In contrast to Monday's wretched display, when a petulant Speaker reflected only the worst, self-exculpatory instincts of the Westminster village, we had a bracing blast of genuine leadership from David Cameron. etc etc etc



source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

maybe this whole week is a set up by the tories and the telegraph to promote dave.....hmmmmm a cunning eton plan

[unrepentant]

Duke of Rothesay said:

The Daily Telegraph reads Pistonheads. This just posted:

MPs' expenses: courageous David Cameron shows how to lead

Telegraph View: In contrast to Monday's wretched display, when a petulant Speaker reflected only the worst, self-exculpatory instincts of the Westminster village, we had a bracing blast of genuine leadership from David Cameron. etc etc etc



source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Daily Telegraph supports the Tories shock.

Cameron has acted predictably in a face saving arse covering manner designed to somehow give the tories some high ground over labour. It doesn't wash. His MP's, including a number of front benchers, have been systematically stealing from the British tax payer. Having them repay a few quid is to apply a band aid to a gaping wound. The thieves remain in place. The only truly decisive action he could have taken would be to set a proper example by firing Gove and Osborne and all of the other miscreants and removing the whip from them permanently. That would be impressive.

[oyster]

So whilst the government is getting us into debt to the tune of £500m A DAY, us PHers and the media are in a frenzy over a few thousand spent on shrubs, swimming pools and mock tudor beams.

Whoop-de-doo.

[2something]

oyster said:

So whilst the government is getting us into debt to the tune of £500m A DAY, us PHers and the media are in a frenzy over a few thousand spent on shrubs, swimming pools and mock tudor beams.

Whoop-de-doo.

Fair point, because if they were doing a good job of running the country with low taxes and we all felt well-off, it wouldn't be a huge issue.

Gordon Brown throwing stones at Fred Goodwin and bankers in general, whilst sitting in a glass house wasn't particularly smart either.

[Einion Yrth]

oyster said:

So whilst the government is getting us into debt to the tune of £500m A DAY, us PHers and the media are in a frenzy over a few thousand spent on shrubs, swimming pools and mock tudor beams.

Whoop-de-doo.

It's not the sums involved it's the principle, or rather in the case of these self serving scumbags, the total lack of any principles. They are supposed to be elected to parliament to serve the best interests of their constituents and the country, not to trouser as much taxpayers money as possible while pissing the rest of it up against the wall in a frenzy of monumentally stupid policies.