MPs expenses and the Fraud Act 2006

MPs expenses and the Fraud Act 2006

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

256 months

Tuesday 12th May 2009
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The offence of obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception has been made obsolete by the introduction of the Fraud Act 2006. An extract is below.

Look at the 'ingredients' of section 2: Fraud by false representation.

Do some of Baroness Uddin's representations about the flat in Maidstone not fit with these ingredients?

What about some of the 'flipping' claims, defining a house as a main or primary residence to one body and as a second residence to another.

I would not be surprised if some fraud charges come out of this - and so they should.

If I change my primary and secondary residences for capital gains avoidance but the inland revenue have evidence that I never actually moved, I would be prosecuted without a doubt.

Fraud
(1)A person is guilty of fraud if he is in breach of any of the sections listed in subsection (2) (which provide for different ways of committing the offence).
(2)The sections are—
(a)section 2 (fraud by false representation),
(b)section 3 (fraud by failing to disclose information), and
(c)section 4 (fraud by abuse of position).
(3)A person who is guilty of fraud is liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum (or to both);
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to a fine (or to both).
(4)Subsection (3)(a) applies in relation to Northern Ireland as if the reference to 12 months were a reference to 6 months.


Fraud by false representation
(1)A person is in breach of this section if he—
(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b)intends, by making the representation—
(i)to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.
(2)A representation is false if—
(a)it is untrue or misleading, and
(b)the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.
(3)“Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—
(a)the person making the representation, or
(b)any other person.
(4)A representation may be express or implied.
(5)For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention)


Rollin

6,154 posts

251 months

Tuesday 12th May 2009
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Someone from my profession has been jailed recently for a £25000 fraud. Why not MPs?

Deva Link

26,934 posts

251 months

Tuesday 12th May 2009
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johnfm said:
I would not be surprised if some fraud charges come out of this - and so they should.
Police are invesigating a complaint over Geoff Hoon's expenses. If you feel strongly about others then complain - the Police are duty bound to at least appear to be investigating.

Skywalker

3,269 posts

220 months

Tuesday 12th May 2009
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There should be proper investigations which the CPS are compelled to run "In the public interest" and then hopefully convictions and sentences.

Cheating, lying, deceiving , theiving scum!!!shoot

Jasandjules

70,416 posts

235 months

Tuesday 12th May 2009
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If enough people complain, something may be done about it.

I won't hold my breath though...

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

256 months

Friday 15th May 2009
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It looks like I may have pre-empted the taxpayers alliance et al.

I had a hunch this may come about.

tonyvid

9,875 posts

249 months

Friday 15th May 2009
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It's quite amazing how they think that if they pay it back it doesn't matter. It's a bit like me holding up the local post office and then giving the money back when I get caught and saying "sorry, must have made a mistake...."

triggersbroom

2,401 posts

210 months

Friday 15th May 2009
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tonyvid said:
It's quite amazing how they think that if they pay it back it doesn't matter. It's a bit like me holding up the local post office and then giving the money back when I get caught and saying "sorry, must have made a mistake...."
Good analogy.


Ali G

3,526 posts

288 months

Friday 15th May 2009
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May not be aware of the full facts, but the implications of attempting to pay back money to the Inland Revenue in respect of a 'misclaimed' capital gains allowance could be construed as an admission of an attempt at tax evasion. Tax avoidance/evasion would appear to be something the current Government is apparently very keen to put a stop to (e.g. offshoring etc.)