Dissolution of Parliament
Discussion
I was always led to believe that Her Maj had the power to call the PM in, give him a b
king and ask for him to call a General Election.
Is this really the case? If so, what actually has to happen before she thinks this might be a good idea?
With the expenses row on top of everything else, it can't be any worse.
Liz, if you're reading this, give Winky a bell and get it started
king and ask for him to call a General Election.Is this really the case? If so, what actually has to happen before she thinks this might be a good idea?
With the expenses row on top of everything else, it can't be any worse.
Liz, if you're reading this, give Winky a bell and get it started
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Ok....anybody up for a protest march outside the houses of parliament, we can smash a few Mcdonalds windows and everyfing innit. In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Westy Pre-Lit said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Ok....anybody up for a protest march outside the houses of parliament, we can smash a few Mcdonalds windows and everyfing innit. In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Westy Pre-Lit said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Ok....anybody up for a protest march outside the houses of parliament, we can smash a few Mcdonalds windows and everyfing innit. In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I'm all for smashing in Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace and Plane Stupid. Oh yeah I mean their windows.
HD Adam said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Comparing to other countries the British just like to complain as though we are the worst off in the world.
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
The finance minister moving to Switzerland with several million dollars worth of donations from a charity is big money moving. Not a few thousand here and there.
Also while discussing this it is costing more, as all other issues are on hold while this is being dragged out by the press. I could of written new rules in a couple of hours. Problem sorted, no more MPs to talk about it, they have a fairly important job to do.
Westy Pre-Lit said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Ok....anybody up for a protest march outside the houses of parliament, we can smash a few Mcdonalds windows and everyfing innit. In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
You would need written permission to hold a demo outside Parliament or face arrest like Maya Evans, who was found guilty of breaching Section 132 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act.
Another reason for them to go. Sod it, I don't care. Anyone got a pitchfork and flaming torch they could lend me.
If parliament was dissolved and MPs had to reapply for their jobs via a general election, would we really miss them for a few weeks ? The civil service is supposedly independent, so surely it's business as usual. The media will have the break up of Peter Andre and Katie Price to keep them occupied as well.
Edited by Chris Type R on Tuesday 12th May 08:31
Chris Type R said:
. The media will have the break up of Peter Andre and Katie Price to keep them occupied as well.
I was quite astonished to this non story in the main terrestrial TV news headlines last night! Even my 14 year old step-daughter (who loves mags like Heat) asked why was this in the news!Edited by Chris Type R on Tuesday 12th May 08:31
elster said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Comparing to other countries the British just like to complain as though we are the worst off in the world.
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
The finance minister moving to Switzerland with several million dollars worth of donations from a charity is big money moving. Not a few thousand here and there.
Also while discussing this it is costing more, as all other issues are on hold while this is being dragged out by the press. I could of written new rules in a couple of hours. Problem sorted, no more MPs to talk about it, they have a fairly important job to do.
Nobody asked for the Queen to take over or stage a military coup. Of course, this would be unconstitutional.
What she can do is dissolve parliament and call a general election so the voters can decide.
The expenses issue certainly is corruption. Don't try pulling the BBC line of "Its all within the rules".
Take, just for example, Hazel Blears. She declared to the commons committee that the house she was claiming expenses for was her 2nd home. When she sold the house, she declared it as her primary home and therefore not liable to capital gains tax. So, which is it? She has lied to either the commons committee or the Inland Revenue and made money from that lie. That is corruption.
As for MP's having a fairly important job to do, what is that at the moment exactly? They are just about to take their "well deserved" 3 month summer holiday.
HD Adam said:
elster said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Comparing to other countries the British just like to complain as though we are the worst off in the world.
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
The finance minister moving to Switzerland with several million dollars worth of donations from a charity is big money moving. Not a few thousand here and there.
Also while discussing this it is costing more, as all other issues are on hold while this is being dragged out by the press. I could of written new rules in a couple of hours. Problem sorted, no more MPs to talk about it, they have a fairly important job to do.
Nobody asked for the Queen to take over or stage a military coup. Of course, this would be unconstitutional.
What she can do is dissolve parliament and call a general election so the voters can decide.
The expenses issue certainly is corruption. Don't try pulling the BBC line of "Its all within the rules".
Take, just for example, Hazel Blears. She declared to the commons committee that the house she was claiming expenses for was her 2nd home. When she sold the house, she declared it as her primary home and therefore not liable to capital gains tax. So, which is it? She has lied to either the commons committee or the Inland Revenue and made money from that lie. That is corruption.
As for MP's having a fairly important job to do, what is that at the moment exactly? They are just about to take their "well deserved" 3 month summer holiday.
For my money they have all done wrong in playing the system but then the system was always designed to be open to abuse and they all now just need to get this fixed. It's trivial in the grand scheme of things really.
elster said:
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
How do you work that out? Deliberately fiddling expenses and claiming for stuff that you know is not claimable *IS* corruption. I'd venture as far as to say that it could even be fraud and not not only should those responsible be forced to pay back every penny, they should definitely be sacked and probably face criminal charges too.Ordinary_Chap said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Comparing to other countries the British just like to complain as though we are the worst off in the world.
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
The finance minister moving to Switzerland with several million dollars worth of donations from a charity is big money moving. Not a few thousand here and there.
Also while discussing this it is costing more, as all other issues are on hold while this is being dragged out by the press. I could of written new rules in a couple of hours. Problem sorted, no more MPs to talk about it, they have a fairly important job to do.
Nobody asked for the Queen to take over or stage a military coup. Of course, this would be unconstitutional.
What she can do is dissolve parliament and call a general election so the voters can decide.
The expenses issue certainly is corruption. Don't try pulling the BBC line of "Its all within the rules".
Take, just for example, Hazel Blears. She declared to the commons committee that the house she was claiming expenses for was her 2nd home. When she sold the house, she declared it as her primary home and therefore not liable to capital gains tax. So, which is it? She has lied to either the commons committee or the Inland Revenue and made money from that lie. That is corruption.
As for MP's having a fairly important job to do, what is that at the moment exactly? They are just about to take their "well deserved" 3 month summer holiday.
For my money they have all done wrong in playing the system but then the system was always designed to be open to abuse and they all now just need to get this fixed. It's trivial in the grand scheme of things really.
Call me old fashioned, but I do expect these people to be above corruption and ‘fiddling’ their expenses – how can we now take anything they say regarding the UK/laws/regulations/austerity seriously?
They have all lost trust and respect from the huge majority of the electorate, and as such, a general election should be called, as their positions of authority are now completely untenable.
IMOHO
I posted yesterday that Liz should dissolve Parl. and call an election, I would posit that at least 3/4s of the country would back her in such a move. I also posted that I am a certificated auditor and that Winky could bung me £60k/yr and Id happily do all the expenses processing for Parl and audit the accounts. Even as it stands at the moment, it would take me less than a month to go through all the accounts of MPs over the last Parl. term and identify those who had taken the expenses system for a ride, the depth to which they had done so and hand the files over to a relevent body. Those people should then be interviewed and investigated (an independant auditing company Board should do) and if found guilty then removed from Parl. and banned from ever applying to be an MP again. That whole process could be done in 2 months. A futher one month for new MPs and applicant to be found, so that by the end of Aug we could arrange for a General election with complete election lists from the political parties and independants. Over the summer period the Civil Service could carry on as before, the Pricy Council could be in nominal charge of the country with a stringent remit on its powers and authority.
The mechanisms are there, the competency is there, it isnt rocket science. What is missing is the political will.
The mechanisms are there, the competency is there, it isnt rocket science. What is missing is the political will.
elster said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Comparing to other countries the British just like to complain as though we are the worst off in the world.
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
The finance minister moving to Switzerland with several million dollars worth of donations from a charity is big money moving. Not a few thousand here and there.
Also while discussing this it is costing more, as all other issues are on hold while this is being dragged out by the press. I could of written new rules in a couple of hours. Problem sorted, no more MPs to talk about it, they have a fairly important job to do.
Nobody is suggesting that a few million is going to bankrupt us nore than, say the billions we are borrowing. But, the fact that some Peers (eg Uddin) and MPs (Moran, others) are buying and not using properties for constituency business is indicative of a deeper malaise.
I would go as far to suggest that living in a council house and buying a flat in Maidstone, never living in it but claiming it is a main or 2nd residnece must be a close definition of obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception, no?
chris watton said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
HD Adam said:
elster said:
I think something a bit more serious than this.
In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
I don't think it is irrelevant. Her Majesties Government has demonstrated what would be termed as Gross Negligence or incompetence.In the grand scheme of things, this is fairly irrelevant. As much as it is one for us to vote out and complain about it is hardly comparable to a true police state or military coup.
Just a few things to be going on with. Sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices, took cash for political rewards and if you remember, Bliar was the first ever sitting PM to questioned by the Bib over this, lost control over our borders, took us into what appears to be an illegal war, bankrupted the economy and now all of them are fiddling their expenses. Shall I go on?
Technically, we could have another year of this. Winky doesn't have to call an election for another 12 months.
Comparing to other countries the British just like to complain as though we are the worst off in the world.
Get over, these expenses aren't corruption.
The finance minister moving to Switzerland with several million dollars worth of donations from a charity is big money moving. Not a few thousand here and there.
Also while discussing this it is costing more, as all other issues are on hold while this is being dragged out by the press. I could of written new rules in a couple of hours. Problem sorted, no more MPs to talk about it, they have a fairly important job to do.
Nobody asked for the Queen to take over or stage a military coup. Of course, this would be unconstitutional.
What she can do is dissolve parliament and call a general election so the voters can decide.
The expenses issue certainly is corruption. Don't try pulling the BBC line of "Its all within the rules".
Take, just for example, Hazel Blears. She declared to the commons committee that the house she was claiming expenses for was her 2nd home. When she sold the house, she declared it as her primary home and therefore not liable to capital gains tax. So, which is it? She has lied to either the commons committee or the Inland Revenue and made money from that lie. That is corruption.
As for MP's having a fairly important job to do, what is that at the moment exactly? They are just about to take their "well deserved" 3 month summer holiday.
For my money they have all done wrong in playing the system but then the system was always designed to be open to abuse and they all now just need to get this fixed. It's trivial in the grand scheme of things really.
Call me old fashioned, but I do expect these people to be above corruption and ‘fiddling’ their expenses – how can we now take anything they say regarding the UK/laws/regulations/austerity seriously?
They have all lost trust and respect from the huge majority of the electorate, and as such, a general election should be called, as their positions of authority are now completely untenable.
IMOHO
The election would be pointless as it would mean voting in another 'corrupt' party or am I missing something?
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