Tory snouts in the trough

[deadslow]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

[ShadownINja]

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

[unrepentant]

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Historically Tory scandals have involved sex - Parkinson, Mellor, Proctor etc... and Labour ones money. I guess that stems from the fact that Tory MP's historically came from money and Labour didn't. The current drop of MP's are unfortunately almost all basically bent. Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

[fluffnik]

unrepentant said:

Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

A species who should not exist.

Politics needs demonetised.

[Baby Huey]

unrepentant said:

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Historically Tory scandals have involved sex - Parkinson, Mellor, Proctor etc... and Labour ones money. I guess that stems from the fact that Tory MP's historically came from money and Labour didn't. The current drop of MP's are unfortunately almost all basically bent. Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

Don't forget Jonathon Aitken and Jeffrey Archer, it hasn't got to the point where Labour ministers are getting sent to jail. And Neil Hamilton. So historically Tory scandals involve sex, money and lying.

[Puggit]

Baby Huey said:

unrepentant said:

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Historically Tory scandals have involved sex - Parkinson, Mellor, Proctor etc... and Labour ones money. I guess that stems from the fact that Tory MP's historically came from money and Labour didn't. The current drop of MP's are unfortunately almost all basically bent. Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

Don't forget Jonathon Aitken and Jeffrey Archer, it hasn't got to the point where Labour ministers are getting sent to jail. And Neil Hamilton. So historically Tory scandals involve sex, money and lying.

I can't remember any Tory PM's being questioned (twice) by police.

The Tories were caught and punished as individuals for personal crimes. There are arguments that large numbers of Labour ministers should be imprisoned.

They collectively have committed crimes of office.

[Baby Huey]

Puggit said:

Baby Huey said:

unrepentant said:

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Historically Tory scandals have involved sex - Parkinson, Mellor, Proctor etc... and Labour ones money. I guess that stems from the fact that Tory MP's historically came from money and Labour didn't. The current drop of MP's are unfortunately almost all basically bent. Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

Don't forget Jonathon Aitken and Jeffrey Archer, it hasn't got to the point where Labour ministers are getting sent to jail. And Neil Hamilton. So historically Tory scandals involve sex, money and lying.

I can't remember any Tory PM's being questioned (twice) by police.

The Tories were caught and punished as individuals for personal crimes. There are arguments that large numbers of Labour ministers should be imprisoned.

They collectively have committed crimes of office.

Surely the cash for honours thing has been going on forever, it only recently became an issue. This is a thread about scandal and snouts in the trough not your views on Labour policy.

Which Labour ministers should be jailed and why?

[thinfourth2]

Do you know what i find most depressing about this

A £1.99 bath plug has become a more major issue in the eyes of the media then the trival matter of £175BILLION debt the current lot has landed us with.

[andy400]

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Perhaps I'm deranged, but I have a tendency to think worse of Labour MPs than Tory MPs over this matter. They are, after all, the party that expect us all to give up lots of our hard-earned to A)Support the useless and lazy, and B)Support the rest of their stupid, incompetent, failed policies and plans, and yet they just want more and more for themselves, and will stoop to any underhand tactic (within the 'rules' or otherwise) they can think of to achieve this.

[chris watton]

andy400 said:

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Perhaps I'm deranged, but I have a tendency to think worse of Labour MPs than Tory MPs over this matter. They are, after all, the party that expect us all to give up lots of our hard-earned to A)Support the useless and lazy, and B)Support the rest of their stupid, incompetent, failed policies and plans, and yet they just want more and more for themselves, and will stoop to any underhand tactic (within the 'rules' or otherwise) they can think of to achieve this.

Yep, weren’t the Labour big-wigs telling us only a couple of weeks back, in defending the 50% tax policy, that “I think it’s only fair that the people who benefitted most during the good times should now contribute more in difficult times, helping the poor...”

Rings more than a little hollow now though, doesn’t it, after revelations of ‘politician only’ tax and house flip rules – milking the tax payer for personal, NOT ‘for the good of the people’ gain.

In that respect, Labour are worse – they are the ones who expouse a ‘fairer Britain and equal society’

Edited by chris watton on Monday 11th May 09:14

[ianash]

Baby Huey said:

unrepentant said:

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Historically Tory scandals have involved sex - Parkinson, Mellor, Proctor etc... and Labour ones money. I guess that stems from the fact that Tory MP's historically came from money and Labour didn't. The current drop of MP's are unfortunately almost all basically bent. Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

Don't forget Jonathon Aitken and Jeffrey Archer, it hasn't got to the point where Labour ministers are getting sent to jail. And Neil Hamilton. So historically Tory scandals involve sex, money and lying.

Both Aitken and Archer were imprisoned for perjury. Both concerned lying in court about their wherabouts/actions, for which they sued National newspapers. They shot themselves in the feet, their dishonesty had no connection to embezlement, unlike the current crop.

Edited by ianash on Monday 11th May 09:14

Edited by ianash on Monday 11th May 09:15

[Baby Huey]

ianash said:

Baby Huey said:

unrepentant said:

ShadownINja said:

deadslow said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp...

Seems they are all at it.

Of course. Did you expect otherwise? The thing is, we expect the Tories to do this. Labour are supposedly the party for the people.

Historically Tory scandals have involved sex - Parkinson, Mellor, Proctor etc... and Labour ones money. I guess that stems from the fact that Tory MP's historically came from money and Labour didn't. The current drop of MP's are unfortunately almost all basically bent. Maybe that's because they are almost all career politicians?

Don't forget Jonathon Aitken and Jeffrey Archer, it hasn't got to the point where Labour ministers are getting sent to jail. And Neil Hamilton. So historically Tory scandals involve sex, money and lying.

Both Aitken and Archer were imprisoned for perjury. Both concerned lying in court about their wherabouts/actions, for which they sued National newspapers. They shot themselves in the feet, their dishonesty had no connection to embezlement, unlike the current crop.

Edited by ianash on Monday 11th May 09:14

Edited by ianash on Monday 11th May 09:15

It doesn't look good though does it?

[TankRizzo]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

However, senior Labour figures have criticised Mr Cameron’s stance, pointing out that he has a large six-figure mortgage and that the taxpayer is subsidising a valuable cottage for the Conservative leader.

They allege that many senior Conservatives are independently wealthy and can therefore subsidise the extra costs associated with being an MP from their own finances.

Pathetic c*nts.

Indeed, and let's not forget that the Labour Party have Barbara Follett whose husband rakes in £13 million a year, and Shaun Woodward who is the richest MP in Westminster, both receiving taxpayer handouts. Kind of makes their argument a tad immaterial.

[fluffnik]

Baby Huey said:

Which Labour ministers should be jailed and why?

All those cabinet members who supported Blair's illegal war for a start...

[Puggit]

fluffnik said:

Baby Huey said:

Which Labour ministers should be jailed and why?

All those cabinet members who supported Blair's illegal war for a start...

Let's not forget cash for peerages, Mandelson's fraud, Prescott's punch...

[unrepentant]

Puggit said:

fluffnik said:

Baby Huey said:

Which Labour ministers should be jailed and why?

All those cabinet members who supported Blair's illegal war for a start...

Let's not forget cash for peerages, Mandelson's fraud, Prescott's punch...

If we're jailing people for supporting the war we're going to be banging up most Tory MP's.

C'mon Puggit, you're normally a sensible poster - Prescotts punch? I applauded him for that. Mandelsons fraud? The Robinson loan? A bit unethical but not fraudulent. Cash for peerages - damn right, people should have been charged over that.

[Puggit]

unrepentant said:

If we're jailing people for supporting the war we're going to be banging up most Tory MP's.

The Tories weren't complicit in sexing up the university student's thesis to justify the war.

They weren't in full possession of the facts.

There's a big difference between supporting and creating a war.

[deadslow]

I should have thought that 'snouts in the trough' type issues require universal condemnation, whether Labour or Tory or other. Surely anything less is a bit hypocritical.

[Trommel]

deadslow said:

I should have thought that 'snouts in the trough' type issues require universal condemnation, whether Labour or Tory or other.

Yes. Quite fitting that the socialists are coming out of it far, far worse.

[fluffnik]

deadslow said:

I should have thought that 'snouts in the trough' type issues require universal condemnation, whether Labour or Tory or other. Surely anything less is a bit hypocritical.

Absolutely.

We need rid of the entire cleptocracy.