UKIP & Euro elections?

[Northern Munkee]

I'm not saying I am going to vote for them, or even vote, but I am listening to what they are saying, and I find myself leaning my euro vote towards them.

It seems like their policy is we want out of EU, but we want to stay on good terms as neighbours, we want free trade (EFTA) which is what we voted for (The Common Market), but we want out so were out of your meddling and we set 100% of our own laws, control of our borders and who we let in the country. I'd consider conservatives but they seem on europe no different from Labour.

Am I being naive? Misguided? Missing the point about european integration? Alternate views?

[Puggit]

Europe is actually run by the EU commission, which is a bunch of unelected failures (ie Mandleson). The EU parliament is just a talking shop with limited scope. Voting UKIP is a great protest vote if you want out of the EU.

[robinhood21]

'Tis a bit of a quandary I must say. I am against a lot of what UKIP stand for, but if it will send a message to the Conservatives on Europe, then I might just vote for them.

[s2art]

Depending on the area, its worth voting UKIP to keep the BNP out

[s2art]

brickwall said:

Nigel Farage is a horrible man.

I've heard at buffet lunches his table is the last to fill up. People would rather sit on the floor than next to him.

Name a party leader you would prefer. Nick Griffin? Winky? Cameroon?

[thinfourth2]

s2art said:

brickwall said:

Nigel Farage is a horrible man.

I've heard at buffet lunches his table is the last to fill up. People would rather sit on the floor than next to him.

Name a party leader you would prefer. Nick Griffin? Winky? Cameroon?

Screaming lord sutch

Yes he is dead but i don't think it would make him any worse leader then our current crop of options

[handpaper]

brickwall said:

Nigel Farage is a horrible man.

I've heard at buffet lunches his table is the last to fill up. People would rather sit on the floor than next to him.

Quel surprise!
A man who sits in the European Parliament representing those who wish it did not exist is snubbed by those who owe their careers to it?
Next you'll be telling us that bears don't leave the woods to use public lavatories

[unrepentant]

I voted UKIP at the last Euro elections. If you are anti the euro gravy train and the interference of the unelected European Commission your only choice is to vote UKIP.

[Sheets Tabuer]

UKIP take the nice right wing people, you know the sort.... the ones who won't admit to extreme views on camera.

[unrepentant]

Sheets Tabuer said:

UKIP take the nice right wing people, you know the sort.... the ones who won't admit to extreme views on camera.

Eh? What are you talking about? UKIP is the only party that advocates pulling out of the costly and bloated EU. Nothing right wing about that as an aspiration, in fact for many years it was Labour party policy.

[Sheets Tabuer]

unrepentant said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

UKIP take the nice right wing people, you know the sort.... the ones who won't admit to extreme views on camera.

Eh? What are you talking about? UKIP is the only party that advocates pulling out of the costly and bloated EU. Nothing right wing about that as an aspiration, in fact for many years it was Labour party policy.

Are you so naive?

Look at their policies, they ask members to "declare" they are not racist yet go on to have policies around UK for uk people, British jobs for British people and you have members joining groups in the EU parliament started by and headed by BNP members.

Indeed cameron has labeled them a racist party run by loonies and supported by loonies.

[Northern Munkee]

Sheets Tabuer said:

unrepentant said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

UKIP take the nice right wing people, you know the sort.... the ones who won't admit to extreme views on camera.

Eh? What are you talking about? UKIP is the only party that advocates pulling out of the costly and bloated EU. Nothing right wing about that as an aspiration, in fact for many years it was Labour party policy.

Are you so naive?

Look at their policies, they ask members to "declare" they are not racist yet go on to have policies around UK for uk people, British jobs for British people and you have members joining groups in the EU parliament started by and headed by BNP members.

Indeed cameron has labeled them a racist party run by loonies and supported by loonies.

Well he's telling everybody that he has candidates and voters that of ethnic origin, my own personal view on British job for British workers, people of ethnic diversity, it would include the whole rainbow, of British people, thats people born here, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th generation, etc. I don't care. I come from a long line of blue collar farm labourers, steel and chemical workers, so I'm fairly ordinary. So I don't care which cricket team they support, when England play whoever, and my only view on immigration is it should be points based like Australia, where we only let in people we need, regardless of ethnicity, as we can't afford our own indiginous feckless, never mind importing other countries.

So what is the racism?

[Sheets Tabuer]

Northern Munkee said:

So what is the racism?

Kilroy silk's arab speech.
Frank Maloney immigrants speech
Alan sked speech
The spread of HIV speech
Jewish wkers email

It's all very well documented, vote for them if you want.

[Northern Munkee]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Northern Munkee said:

So what is the racism?

Kilroy silk's arab speech.
Frank Maloney immigrants speech
Alan sked speech
The spread of HIV speech
Jewish wkers email

It's all very well documented, vote for them if you want.

Well I never liked Kilroy just self publicist.

But I'm not saying I like them, nor particularly Farage, previously I did just dismiss them as a single issue sideshow on the margins, but in terms of europe, and what I've heard him say on TV, BBC Question Time, about europe, and his campaign launch, I find the sentiments he expressed, closer to my own views than Labour, or the Tories, Lib Dem, which despite the different languages are essentially the same.

But thanks for the heads up, if its well documented I shall seek it out, and make an informed & balanced decision, rather than one from sound bites ,or ignorance, or his personality (I don't need to like politicians), and I think I can do that without being "turned" into a racist or fascist.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 10th May 11:58

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 10th May 12:01

[s2art]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Northern Munkee said:

So what is the racism?

Kilroy silk's arab speech.
Frank Maloney immigrants speech
Alan sked speech
The spread of HIV speech
Jewish wkers email

It's all very well documented, vote for them if you want.

I think the Race board cleared Kilroy-Silk of racism for that article. Something about an editorial change of 'Arab countries' to 'Arabs'.

[10 Pence Short]

Voting UKIP is wasting a vote. They're never going to have the power to bring the UK out of Europe. They're a laughing stock in Europe, so they're not even powerful over there. They just get shoved into quiet corners and committees.

Your UKIP Euro MP is just paid to have free lunches and first class travel in return for having little actual result.

[s2art]

10 Pence Short said:

Voting UKIP is wasting a vote. They're never going to have the power to bring the UK out of Europe. They're a laughing stock in Europe, so they're not even powerful over there. They just get shoved into quiet corners and committees.

Your UKIP Euro MP is just paid to have free lunches and first class travel in return for having little actual result.

I disagree. Voting UKIP scares the big parties. A protest vote that may well work. Nulab appear to be rather worried about the UKIP and BNP vote in the Euro elections.

[10 Pence Short]

s2art said:

10 Pence Short said:

Voting UKIP is wasting a vote. They're never going to have the power to bring the UK out of Europe. They're a laughing stock in Europe, so they're not even powerful over there. They just get shoved into quiet corners and committees.

Your UKIP Euro MP is just paid to have free lunches and first class travel in return for having little actual result.

I disagree. Voting UKIP scares the big parties. A protest vote that may well work. Nulab appear to be rather worried about the UKIP and BNP vote in the Euro elections.

Labour never do well in Euro elections, because the people who tend to mobilise and vote are the ones who have a polarised opinion on the matter- which tend to be the sceptics.

As it stands, my opinion is that UKIP don't have any impact in the EU; they don't and can't preserve our interests. If we're going to be part of Europe (and the UKIP can't affect that), we might as well be represented by a party who can actually get things done- not UKIP.

I personally don't see the EU elections as having any serious effect on the domestic policy scene.

[s2art]

10 Pence Short said:

s2art said:

10 Pence Short said:

Voting UKIP is wasting a vote. They're never going to have the power to bring the UK out of Europe. They're a laughing stock in Europe, so they're not even powerful over there. They just get shoved into quiet corners and committees.

Your UKIP Euro MP is just paid to have free lunches and first class travel in return for having little actual result.

I disagree. Voting UKIP scares the big parties. A protest vote that may well work. Nulab appear to be rather worried about the UKIP and BNP vote in the Euro elections.

Labour never do well in Euro elections, because the people who tend to mobilise and vote are the ones who have a polarised opinion on the matter- which tend to be the sceptics.

As it stands, my opinion is that UKIP don't have any impact in the EU; they don't and can't preserve our interests. If we're going to be part of Europe (and the UKIP can't affect that), we might as well be represented by a party who can actually get things done- not UKIP.

I personally don't see the EU elections as having any serious effect on the domestic policy scene.

The effect may be small, but you have to start somewhere. Your position is such that there can never be any change forced upon the big parties. I beg to differ. Goldsmith's referendum party forced Nulab and the Tories to promise a referendum in their manifestos. They were worried that, small though it was, his party would damage their election hopes. So perhaps UKIP (and the BNP) can have more influence than you think.

[10 Pence Short]

If I was a UKIP leader, my fear would be that we become big enough to warrant the spotlight from the investigative press. It would be no surprise if the average UKIP MEP was bent enough to make the Labour Cabinet look whiter than white.

By their nature, UKIP tend to be made up of extremists who were too far out from their own parties' aims to make any real political progress.

Edited by 10 Pence Short on Sunday 10th May 12:37