Pakistan

[FM]

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

[Sheets Tabuer]

This is in direct response to Obama saying if you don't sort this out we will have no option but to come in and secure your nukes.

Then you will be abandoned to the tribes and the taliban, then when your country is split and your armed forces have become ineffectual India will come looking for a resolution to the Kashmir question and they will have nukes.

[AndrewW-G]

FM said:

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

Or the opening shots of the East v West world war? An open civil war in pakistan will affect England in a fairly major way, whether we want to get involved or not

[thehawk]

AndrewW-G said:

FM said:

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

Or the opening shots of the East v West world war? An open civil war in pakistan will affect England in a fairly major way, whether we want to get involved or not

It kind if got me thinking, but if we are at war with extremists why is it illegale to beat-up, capture or kill openly extremist Muslims? (People like Hamza)

Surely during WW2 we wouldn't have allowed pro-German groups to act with impunity.

[Groober]

thehawk said:

AndrewW-G said:

FM said:

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

Or the opening shots of the East v West world war? An open civil war in pakistan will affect England in a fairly major way, whether we want to get involved or not

It kind if got me thinking, but if we are at war with extremists why is it illegale to beat-up, capture or kill openly extremist Muslims? (People like Hamza)

Surely during WW2 we wouldn't have allowed pro-German groups to act with impunity.

Ahh but your fogeting about their human rights.

Edited by Groober on Friday 8th May 12:36

[Jimbeaux]

thehawk said:

AndrewW-G said:

FM said:

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

Or the opening shots of the East v West world war? An open civil war in pakistan will affect England in a fairly major way, whether we want to get involved or not

It kind if got me thinking, but if we are at war with extremists why is it illegale to beat-up, capture or kill openly extremist Muslims? (People like Hamza)

Surely during WW2 we wouldn't have allowed pro-German groups to act with impunity.

That is the difference in that generation and the sad weak one we are part of today.

[dibbers006]

Am I wrong in thinking that not so long ago the US were helping the Taliban et al. Yet today they are helping another 'side'

How many years pass before this kicks back in their face?

Or am I miss informed on Global Politics (fairly likely!)

[10 Pence Short]

dibbers006 said:

Am I wrong in thinking that not so long ago the US were helping the Taliban et al. Yet today they are helping another 'side'

How many years pass before this kicks back in their face?

Or am I miss informed on Global Politics (fairly likely!)

The Yanks enjoyed training and arming those nice boys at Al Qaeda when they were trying to stop the Ruskies in Afghanistan. Things haven't seemed to work out how they thought they would since, though...

[dibbers006]

Like Mums always say...

'Concentrate on your own homework/ dinner/ toys/ colouring in'

[richinleeds]

dibbers006 said:

Am I wrong in thinking that not so long ago the US were helping the Taliban et al. Yet today they are helping another 'side'

How many years pass before this kicks back in their face?

Or am I miss informed on Global Politics (fairly likely!)

Yeah i'd say you were miss informed lol

[AlexKP]

10 Pence Short said:

dibbers006 said:

Am I wrong in thinking that not so long ago the US were helping the Taliban et al. Yet today they are helping another 'side'

How many years pass before this kicks back in their face?

Or am I miss informed on Global Politics (fairly likely!)

The Yanks enjoyed training and arming those nice boys at Al Qaeda when they were trying to stop the Ruskies in Afghanistan. Things haven't seemed to work out how they thought they would since, though...

Geopolitically it was the right and only thing to do at the time.

People forget that international politics are dynamic, not static.

[ianash]

This is just a continuation of the "Great Game". This was originally played between Britain and Russia. As power moves east, the game will shift to China and India with pakistan/Afghanistan acting as the playing field. History just keeps on repeating itself.

[Jimbeaux]

dibbers006 said:

Am I wrong in thinking that not so long ago the US were helping the Taliban et al. Yet today they are helping another 'side'

How many years pass before this kicks back in their face?

Or am I miss informed on Global Politics (fairly likely!)

What is now the "Taliban" and "Al Queada" was indeed helped by the US, the UK, and many other Western Powers to combat the Soviet presence of the time. Alliances change constantly to fit the situation of the times.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 8th May 18:59

[silver.fox.2008]

Not long before 'times' change and China and Russia (again) are considered the bad guys.

[Uncle Fester]

Groober said:

thehawk said:

AndrewW-G said:

FM said:

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

Or the opening shots of the East v West world war? An open civil war in pakistan will affect England in a fairly major way, whether we want to get involved or not

It kind if got me thinking, but if we are at war with extremists why is it illegale to beat-up, capture or kill openly extremist Muslims? (People like Hamza)

Surely during WW2 we wouldn't have allowed pro-German groups to act with impunity.

Ahh but your fogeting about their human rights.

Edited by Groober on Friday 8th May 12:36

This question has been answered properly before. The same principal is as correct today as it was then.

Winston said:

We have found it necessary to take measures of increasing stringency, not only against enemy aliens and suspicious characters of other nationalities, but also against British subjects who may become a danger or a nuisance should the war be transported to the United Kingdom. I know there are a great many people affected by the orders which we have made who are the passionate enemies of Nazi Germany. I am very sorry for them, but we cannot, at the present time and under the present stress, draw all the distinctions which we should like to do. If parachute landings were attempted and fierce fighting attendant upon them followed, these unfortunate people would be far better out of the way, for their own sakes as well as for ours. There is, however, another class, for which I feel not the slightest sympathy. Parliament has given us the powers to put down Fifth Column activities with a strong hand, and we shall use those powers subject to the supervision and correction of the House, without the slightest hesitation until we are satisfied, and more than satisfied, that this malignancy in our midst has been effectively stamped out.

[Jimbeaux]

Uncle Fester said:

Groober said:

thehawk said:

AndrewW-G said:

FM said:

It seems the pressure the US have been putting on the pakistan regime has now forced the hand of the leadership to react. Is this perhaps the start of a new front in the `global war against terror` or just a blip on the military radar of the pakistani leadership.

Thoughts...?

Or the opening shots of the East v West world war? An open civil war in pakistan will affect England in a fairly major way, whether we want to get involved or not

It kind if got me thinking, but if we are at war with extremists why is it illegale to beat-up, capture or kill openly extremist Muslims? (People like Hamza)

Surely during WW2 we wouldn't have allowed pro-German groups to act with impunity.

Ahh but your fogeting about their human rights.

Edited by Groober on Friday 8th May 12:36

This question has been answered properly before. The same principal is as correct today as it was then.

Winston said:

We have found it necessary to take measures of increasing stringency, not only against enemy aliens and suspicious characters of other nationalities, but also against British subjects who may become a danger or a nuisance should the war be transported to the United Kingdom. I know there are a great many people affected by the orders which we have made who are the passionate enemies of Nazi Germany. I am very sorry for them, but we cannot, at the present time and under the present stress, draw all the distinctions which we should like to do. If parachute landings were attempted and fierce fighting attendant upon them followed, these unfortunate people would be far better out of the way, for their own sakes as well as for ours. There is, however, another class, for which I feel not the slightest sympathy. Parliament has given us the powers to put down Fifth Column activities with a strong hand, and we shall use those powers subject to the supervision and correction of the House, without the slightest hesitation until we are satisfied, and more than satisfied, that this malignancy in our midst has been effectively stamped out.

A true hero. Ironic that today he would be seen as Satan. Even more ironic that, without the likes of him, those who label him as such would not be enjoying the relatively good life they have today. Idiots.

[5unny]

What a bloody mess pakistan are in. But it's good to see they are dealing with the situation maturely......and blaming the jews for whats happening there.



The security forces also distributed pamphlets in various areas accusing the Taliban of playing in the hands of anti-pakistan elements. ‘They are the same as Jewish forces who are against the existence and security of the country and wanted to create disturbance in the region,’ read a leaflet.The security forces also distributed pamphlets in various areas accusing the Taliban of playing in the hands of anti-pakistan elements. ‘They are the same as Jewish forces who are against the existence and security of the country and wanted to create disturbance in the region,’ read a leaflet.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-l...

Edited by 5unny on Sunday 10th May 18:11

[All Jagged Up]

anonymous said:

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\true but values/ethics/morals/culture remain "static"

[All Jagged Up]

silver.fox.2008 said:

Not long before 'times' change and China and Russia (again) are considered the bad guys.

Flavours of the month? Nasty taste in mouth sooner or later. Dependent on spinned propaganda. As Goebbels famously said . "spin the lie often enough.. public will soon start to believe it"

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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