FEd up with all MP's regardless of party?
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I am, so as an idea forwarded to me by a colleague, I'll be registering to vote in the eeuro elections and voting for a party other than the big 3. If enough people do it, it may send a message, who know's, short of marching on parliament guns in hand there's not much else we the public can do.
So go to this website if you want to try and make a difference.
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/news/date_of_2009_eur...
register to vote and on the day vote for who you want other than the big 3, personally I'll be voting for UKIP, but it's up to you obviously.
I'm just tired of the corrupt, self serving criminals we have in parliament now, all of them, not just labour, for example the expenses discussion and mis-use of, is a disgrace.
Anyway, if you think it's worth a try, try it. If not, then don't.
So go to this website if you want to try and make a difference.
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/news/date_of_2009_eur...
register to vote and on the day vote for who you want other than the big 3, personally I'll be voting for UKIP, but it's up to you obviously.
I'm just tired of the corrupt, self serving criminals we have in parliament now, all of them, not just labour, for example the expenses discussion and mis-use of, is a disgrace.
Anyway, if you think it's worth a try, try it. If not, then don't.
1992 was the last time I voted for a candidate from one of the main three parties - and that's in local council, county council, Euro and Westminster parliamentary elections.
It will a take a leader of some serious credibility for me to stop registering my disapproval in this way.
People might argue that, alone, I can't change anything. But I only have one vote. The only risk with getting everyone to vote for one of the 'also ran' parties is that we just risk electing different muppets
It will a take a leader of some serious credibility for me to stop registering my disapproval in this way.
People might argue that, alone, I can't change anything. But I only have one vote. The only risk with getting everyone to vote for one of the 'also ran' parties is that we just risk electing different muppets
AshVX220 said:
I am, so as an idea forwarded to me by a colleague, I'll be registering to vote in the eeuro elections and voting for a party other than the big 3. If enough people do it, it may send a message, who know's, short of marching on parliament guns in hand there's not much else we the public can do.
Yeah, cause we really need more BNP Euro MPs. Not saying you are going to vote BNP - but they are looking for a bumper crop in this coming election! People are voting BNP for exact same reason as you - a protest vote.The only thing you do by voting for a small party is voting for a compromise. You put minority parties in positions of power they do not deserve.
Please vote for the Liberals or Tories. We desperately need to remove as much power from the Labour Party in all parliamentary areas, and now is not the time for a protest vote. Now is the time to start beheading the Labour Party.
tinman0 said:
AshVX220 said:
I am, so as an idea forwarded to me by a colleague, I'll be registering to vote in the eeuro elections and voting for a party other than the big 3. If enough people do it, it may send a message, who know's, short of marching on parliament guns in hand there's not much else we the public can do.
Yeah, cause we really need more BNP Euro MPs. Not saying you are going to vote BNP - but they are looking for a bumper crop in this coming election! People are voting BNP for exact same reason as you - a protest vote.The only thing you do by voting for a small party is voting for a compromise. You put minority parties in positions of power they do not deserve.
Please vote for the Liberals or Tories. We desperately need to remove as much power from the Labour Party in all parliamentary areas, and now is not the time for a protest vote. Now is the time to start beheading the Labour Party.
AshVX220 said:
That's a very good point, as mentioned in my OP I'll be voting for UKIP, because they don't actually want anything to do with europe. My problem is that I have issues not just with Labour. It seems to me, that all MP's regardless of affiliation are corrupt and self serving. If I genuinely thought that sertain things would change under Tory, I'd be happy, but unfortunately IMO "they're all as bad as each other" seems to be the case. Hence a protest vote in europe. When the general election comes, I'll probably vote according to what I believe to be the best party for me (and the country), though election promises are too easily broken IMO.
Apologies, I didn't see the UKIP mention you made. Skim reading.I would be careful in making that (bolded) statement.
The last 12 years has seen a Govt that has broken plenty of promises and has failed to listen to people properly but it is too easy to use that pessimism to taint all politicians today with that.
CMD is well aware that his style of Government will need to be different to survive. It will need to be honourable, trustworthy, and its must deliver if it has any chance of surviving into a second term.
tinman0 said:
AshVX220 said:
That's a very good point, as mentioned in my OP I'll be voting for UKIP, because they don't actually want anything to do with europe. My problem is that I have issues not just with Labour. It seems to me, that all MP's regardless of affiliation are corrupt and self serving. If I genuinely thought that sertain things would change under Tory, I'd be happy, but unfortunately IMO "they're all as bad as each other" seems to be the case. Hence a protest vote in europe. When the general election comes, I'll probably vote according to what I believe to be the best party for me (and the country), though election promises are too easily broken IMO.
Apologies, I didn't see the UKIP mention you made. Skim reading.I would be careful in making that (bolded) statement.
The last 12 years has seen a Govt that has broken plenty of promises and has failed to listen to people properly but it is too easy to use that pessimism to taint all politicians today with that.
CMD is well aware that his style of Government will need to be different to survive. It will need to be honourable, trustworthy, and its must deliver if it has any chance of surviving into a second term.
Also, what's CMD, never heard the term before, unless I'm just being thick and can't see it.
AshVX220 said:
True, but having, as you say, 12 years of broken promises, and not being made to pay for those failures (still being elected back in, by the thick chav's that benefit from their policies), it seems there's little motivation now to ensure you do meet the promises you make.
Also, what's CMD, never heard the term before, unless I'm just being thick and can't see it.
Call Me Dave Cameron.Also, what's CMD, never heard the term before, unless I'm just being thick and can't see it.
By the way, hello Ash
There is an argument for always voting for the opposition i.e. the strongest party not in power. Frequent changes of government are sometimes effective at keeping the parties on their toes from a policy perspective. The current stagnation is caused by an arrogant, gauche man leading a party that has been in power for too long. Voting for someone who has no chance of winning is entirely ineffective unless millions do it which they won't.
tinman0 said:
AshVX220 said:
I am, so as an idea forwarded to me by a colleague, I'll be registering to vote in the eeuro elections and voting for a party other than the big 3. If enough people do it, it may send a message, who know's, short of marching on parliament guns in hand there's not much else we the public can do.
Yeah, cause we really need more BNP Euro MPs. Not saying you are going to vote BNP - but they are looking for a bumper crop in this coming election! People are voting BNP for exact same reason as you - a protest vote.The only thing you do by voting for a small party is voting for a compromise. You put minority parties in positions of power they do not deserve.
Please vote for the Liberals or Tories. We desperately need to remove as much power from the Labour Party in all parliamentary areas, and now is not the time for a protest vote. Now is the time to start beheading the Labour Party.
Douglas adams said:
[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...]
"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."
Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in"
"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."
Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in"
Puggit said:
Sorry Tinman - I'll be voting UKIP too, they are the only party to represent my view in Europe. I voted for them last time too.
+1 UKIP. Seem to be Tories without having to tow some PC line/appeal to scroungers.Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but ID cards, road pricing, average speed cameras etc and all these hideously expensive schemes are being imposed on us by Europe anyway? So, as someone previously correctly said, no matter who we have in Westminster, what actually happens in the UK will largely be the same while we have political union with the EU.
tinman0 said:
Yeah, cause we really need more BNP Euro MPs. Not saying you are going to vote BNP - but they are looking for a bumper crop in this coming election! People are voting BNP for exact same reason as you - a protest vote.
The only thing you do by voting for a small party is voting for a compromise. You put minority parties in positions of power they do not deserve.
I disagree. The best thing that could happen would be a string of victories for fringe parties be they UKIP, the BNP, the Communist party of Great Britain, or whoever. The big 2 need a kick up the arse to indicate that the electorate have had enough of incompetence and sleaze. (There are as many tories claiming second home allowances and fleecing the rest of us as Labour MP's).The only thing you do by voting for a small party is voting for a compromise. You put minority parties in positions of power they do not deserve.
TankRizzo said:
AshVX220 said:
True, but having, as you say, 12 years of broken promises, and not being made to pay for those failures (still being elected back in, by the thick chav's that benefit from their policies), it seems there's little motivation now to ensure you do meet the promises you make.
Also, what's CMD, never heard the term before, unless I'm just being thick and can't see it.
Call Me Dave Cameron.Also, what's CMD, never heard the term before, unless I'm just being thick and can't see it.
By the way, hello Ash
nice to see a familiar name in here. Thanks for clarifying the CMD thing, never heard that term before.Hope you're well, are you coming to Goodwood Brekky Club Supercar Sunday, there's a thread on .org.
Sorry, back to the original discussion.
The reason why I will be voting for UKIP in the euro elections is because they don't give much of a toss about europe, I have no doubts they're as corrupt as the rest. The point of this thread (for me anyway) was to try and gain a bit more support for this idea, if enough people do it, then you never know, the rest of the MP's may wake up.
I've always been a Tory voter, but even I am completely fed up with the corruption that MOST MP's seem to be involved in. IMO the expenses issue is just the tip of the iceberg, of course that's just my opinion, not based on fact, just what I understand of human nature etc.
Anyhoo
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Edited by Traveller on Thursday 7th May 09:01
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