Are these the people guiding economic policy? Really?

Are these the people guiding economic policy? Really?

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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No wonder we are in the st.
"I think the challenges that I face have mostly been about learning very quickly about different subject areas. For instance three weeks into the job and I was told that I was going out to Brussels to support a senior official. He was going to be talking about a very technical issue that he didn’t know anything about, but I was supposed to be the expert on. So I found myself sitting in this room in Brussels with all my little diagrams, preparing to feed him some lines. So that was quite daunting but it all went really well."


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Fezant Pluckah

1,711 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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You're on a roll, aren't you? hehe

Fezant Pluckah

1,711 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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TVR Moneypit said:
Fezant Pluckah said:
You're on a roll, aren't you? hehe
Me, or the OP?
Sorry, not you! John!

tinman0

18,231 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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some other retard said:
Working in Immigration with 150 staff and 700 customers coming in every day provides plenty of challenges.
I currently work in the Public Enquiries Office in the Immigration & Nationality Directorate of the Home Office, where we process visa applications for people wishing to extend their stay or settle in the UK. Most of our customers want to study, work as doctors or nurses, or apply for settlement after a number of years here.
Customer? Customer? Are we that short on words, we call applicants "customers"?

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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I still cannot believe a senior official was sent to Brussels, knew nothing of the subject and was being advised by a fast-track graduate trainee!

We're fked if this is the way the country is run.

eddie1980

419 posts

194 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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Holly Jesus Christ...

I would say I was shocked, surprised and amazed, but then I looked at who she was...

"
Employer: HM Treasury
Occupation: Fiscal policy
"

Given the current financial state of the country well, actually it makes a lot of sense.

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th April 2009
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TVR, did you mention they were useless s??

fluffnik

20,156 posts

233 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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Sack the bloody lot!

No-one in the treasury deserves to keep their job.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

233 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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TVR Moneypit said:
fluffnik said:
Sack the bloody lot!

No-one in the treasury deserves to keep their job.
Long time no see Al wavey

All good your end fella?
Been out playing in the sunshine. driving

Far more productive than working for Whitehall...

All good with you?

fluffnik

20,156 posts

233 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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TVR Moneypit said:
I'm hoping it won't be new gearbox time paperbag
Best o' luck!

I'm investing in additional cooling and funky ATF for the Legnum's 'box before pointing it at an Alp or track...

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

260 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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Its nice to see the government employ experts to breif them...

Jasandjules

70,415 posts

235 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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This doesn't surprise me.

After all, ministers in charge of whole departments need know nothing about the department or even have experience of anything similar.... Then they wonder how they manage to f**k everything up.

Martial Arts Man

6,625 posts

192 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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The really amazing thing here is that this extract made it onto the website.....

I'm ashamed for them.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

211 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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johnfm said:
I still cannot believe a senior official was sent to Brussels, knew nothing of the subject and was being advised by a fast-track graduate trainee!

We're fked if this is the way the country is run.
yes

Jesus wept. We need to set fire to everything and start again, this is fked!!

hornetrider

63,161 posts

211 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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Martial Arts Man said:
The really amazing thing here is that this extract made it onto the website.....

I'm ashamed for them.
Me too. In fact I'm gonna quote it.

Trainee said:
By being given that responsibility it really makes a difference that you know that from the first day people are listening to your opinion.

I joined The Treasury in October 2005. In a typical day I’ll be doing a huge range of things - I may be attending meetings, responding to emails, reading reports, looking at relevant research. I’ll also be writing briefings for senior officials or Ministers if they’re attending meetings.

When I first started, I remember thinking, how can I write a briefing for this person, because I’m so new to the area? How can I be the expert? But you quite quickly develop the expertise in your own small area and realise that actually, you can add some value.

It’s certainly a challenge to be told as you walk in on your first day, right you’re now Treasury’s lead on EU fiscal policy. You think ‘but I don’t know anything about it’. But actually that’s how you get to learn things. By being given that responsibility it really makes a difference that you know that from the first day people are listening to your opinion.

I’ve had so much training since I’ve been here. I’ve had proper formal training, so courses in Econometrics, Economic Growth, that kind of technical economics. Also courses in other skills, like communications for example, or managing diversity. There’s also a huge number of seminars and talks that are always going on. We’ll also have academics coming in to visit and other people in the organisation presenting their own work, so there’s really loads of opportunity to learn about a huge range of topics.

I think the challenges that I face have mostly been about learning very quickly about different subject areas. For instance three weeks into the job and I was told that I was going out to Brussels to support a senior official. He was going to be talking about a very technical issue that he didn’t know anything about, but I was supposed to be the expert on. So I found myself sitting in this room in Brussels with all my little diagrams, preparing to feed him some lines. So that was quite daunting but it all went really well.

esselte

14,626 posts

273 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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trainee said:
It’s certainly a challenge to be told as you walk in on your first day, right you’re now Treasury’s lead on EU fiscal policy.
yikes

hornetrider

63,161 posts

211 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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I genuinely believe this is worth an email to the Wail or the Sun. I'm pretty sure they'd love it.

Bing o

15,184 posts

225 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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hornetrider said:
I genuinely believe this is worth an email to the Wail or the Sun. I'm pretty sure they'd love it.
This - we have to get these idiots out of power. I want the EU fiscal advisor to have 20 plus years of business experience not 3 years of David Beckham studies.

Martial Arts Man

6,625 posts

192 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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TVR Moneypit said:
Bing o said:
hornetrider said:
I genuinely believe this is worth an email to the Wail or the Sun. I'm pretty sure they'd love it.
This - we have to get these idiots out of power. I want the EU fiscal advisor to have 20 plus years of business experience not 3 years of David Beckham studies.
Only 20?

I want the UKs EU fiscal advisor to be a profesor of economics at Cambridge or Oxford, not some snotty nosed, clueless kid, straight out of school.
yes

You are 100% correct.

I want to see the most highly qualified person we've got. I would say 20 years is way too low; I'm looking for a 60-70 year old with 40+ years experience, who has seen, done and thought about it all before.

When did we stop respecting and utilising experience?

Bing o

15,184 posts

225 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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Martial Arts Man said:
When did we stop respecting and utilising experience?
That would be ageist you see....