Shop raid prompts Muslim veil ban
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Interesting story. Hopefully the fact that it is an Asian shop that is instigating this, will ensure that no stupid 'racist/race hate' accusations are thrown.
As a slight aside..
Interesting story. Hopefully the fact that it is an Asian shop that is instigating this, will ensure that no stupid 'racist/race hate' accusations are thrown.
As a slight aside..
the Article said:
But Madihah Ansari, a 19-year-old student in Glasgow, said a sign banning the veil was not the solution.
Madihah wears a Burkha and always has her head and body covered. Sometimes she chooses to wear a Niqab as well, meaning her face is covered.
She said: "I just really don't like that idea. It is like prejudice about one type of person.
"Just because two guys did a crime and they were dressed up in that kind of outfit you can't prejudice everyone else. "
Hasn't that been the case for Bikers (helmets) for years now?Madihah wears a Burkha and always has her head and body covered. Sometimes she chooses to wear a Niqab as well, meaning her face is covered.
She said: "I just really don't like that idea. It is like prejudice about one type of person.
"Just because two guys did a crime and they were dressed up in that kind of outfit you can't prejudice everyone else. "
Nice one!
Can't beleive that they are allowed in banks masked up too.
Personally i don't think anyone should walk round in public wearing these ridiculous garbs.
Makes you laugh really, hoodies and caps are banned from almost all pubs and shopping centres and yet these can go out with nothing showing but their eyes.
Do muslims not commit crimes and are exempt then?
Can't beleive that they are allowed in banks masked up too.
Personally i don't think anyone should walk round in public wearing these ridiculous garbs.
Makes you laugh really, hoodies and caps are banned from almost all pubs and shopping centres and yet these can go out with nothing showing but their eyes.
Do muslims not commit crimes and are exempt then?
Interesting ... and long overdue. Of course, if it was a non-Asian shop owner, they would be pilloried for saying this; the owners are allowed to say what they say only because they are Asian.
Oh, and I couldn't help but spot this erudite quote from the article: "It will just help if the community gets together and does something solid, for these women to know." Anyone have a scooby what she's on about?
Oli.
Oh, and I couldn't help but spot this erudite quote from the article: "It will just help if the community gets together and does something solid, for these women to know." Anyone have a scooby what she's on about?
Oli.
911motorsport said:
I'm not sure which side of the fence to sit? whilst said garb can conceal the features of a thief it could also be argued that it goes some way to combat identity theft.
Eh???How does wearing a hijab combat identity theft? Surely it means the wearer could be anyone male or female as the jeweller discovered.
(Or have i missed the sarcasm smiley).
the Article said:
But Madihah Ansari, a 19-year-old student in Glasgow, said a sign banning the veil was not the solution.
Madihah wears a Burkha and always has her head and body covered. Sometimes she chooses to wear a Niqab as well, meaning her face is covered.
Madihah wears a Burkha and always has her head and body covered. Sometimes she chooses to wear a Niqab as well, meaning her face is covered.
the Article said:
She said: "I just really don't like that idea .....
Her opinion, rather than a statement of any facts.the Article said:
....... It is like prejudice about one type of person.
What "type of person"? Someone who makes a consious choice to cover their face, however is not bound by any tradition, law, or instruction that this covering is mandatory.the Article said:
"Just because two guys did a crime and they were dressed up in that kind of outfit you can't prejudice everyone else. "
Why not? All motorcyclists are asked to remove their helmets before refuelling / entering the petrol station. 99.99% of motorcyclists are law abiding citizens who will not be robbing the petrol station, however they respect that everyone removing headgear that could be abused by a thief to hide their identity, is a good idea as it will discourage this form of crime, and is a more friendly way to conduct your purchase transaction for the teller and other members of the public.mat205125 said:
the Article said:
"Just because two guys did a crime and they were dressed up in that kind of outfit you can't prejudice everyone else. "
Why not? All motorcyclists are asked to remove their helmets before refuelling / entering the petrol station. 99.99% of motorcyclists are law abiding citizens who will not be robbing the petrol station, however they respect that everyone removing headgear that could be abused by a thief to hide their identity, is a good idea as it will discourage this form of crime, and is a more friendly way to conduct your purchase transaction for the teller and other members of the public.
exactly what I was just about to say.The_Burg said:
Can't beleive that they are allowed in banks masked up too.
Indeed.I used to live near a Post Office where one of the staff wore the full face covering outfit. I was tempted to burst in one day wearing a full face balaclava, run up to the counter....
....and order 3 first class stamps.
The_Burg said:
911motorsport said:
I'm not sure which side of the fence to sit? whilst said garb can conceal the features of a thief it could also be argued that it goes some way to combat identity theft.
Eh???How does wearing a hijab combat identity theft? Surely it means the wearer could be anyone male or female as the jeweller discovered.
(Or have i missed the sarcasm smiley).
911motorsport said:
The_Burg said:
911motorsport said:
I'm not sure which side of the fence to sit? whilst said garb can conceal the features of a thief it could also be argued that it goes some way to combat identity theft.
Eh???How does wearing a hijab combat identity theft? Surely it means the wearer could be anyone male or female as the jeweller discovered.
(Or have i missed the sarcasm smiley).
I heard this and an interview with the owners on Radio 4 this morning and I get the logic behind it - yes it'll offend some in the community, but I, personally, understand. The fact that the shop is run by Asians surely makes the point that they have no real choice and that they do understand - if they were white, we'd be reading about this in the Sun/Daily Mail with some sensationalist headline.
I did also read (and hear) this:
If she chooses to wear a Niqab, then surely she'd have to understand that some places won't be too happy about not being identify the shoppers properly - Such as banks and jewellers....
If I went in to a bank or jeweller wearing a balaclava, I'm pretty sure they'd ask me to leave....
The Glasgow Councillor makes a good point too:
I did also read (and hear) this:
BBC News said:
They told the BBC Asian Network that when they get a sign there will be ways around the rule, like ringing up in advance to make sure there is a female member of staff present to identify a shopper wearing the Niqab.
Which seems fair, but:Some 19 year old said:
Just because two guys did a crime and they were dressed up in that kind of outfit you can't prejudice everyone else.
So she's not understanding the logic of what happened to the shop owners and that they need to be able to identify people in the event that this happens.If she chooses to wear a Niqab, then surely she'd have to understand that some places won't be too happy about not being identify the shoppers properly - Such as banks and jewellers....
If I went in to a bank or jeweller wearing a balaclava, I'm pretty sure they'd ask me to leave....
The Glasgow Councillor makes a good point too:
Hanzala Malik said:
I know in Scotland that banks will not allow their customers coming in with motorbike helmets, I don't see why it should be different for people wearing the Niqab. It is an issue about identifying people.
The full face covering is a pretty rare sight in glasgow, even in the Southside where there is a large Muslim community.
I am surprised that the jewelers did not have some sort of policy already.
They seem to be pro-active in the implementing of the policy as they say they will make arrangements for female staff to meet/confirm any female clients who wish to where the veils.
AFAIC if you find it offensive or against your beliefs to show your face in public then you cannot expect to access aspects of public life that are security sensitive. Send someone else or adapt to the modern world.
I am surprised that the jewelers did not have some sort of policy already.
They seem to be pro-active in the implementing of the policy as they say they will make arrangements for female staff to meet/confirm any female clients who wish to where the veils.
AFAIC if you find it offensive or against your beliefs to show your face in public then you cannot expect to access aspects of public life that are security sensitive. Send someone else or adapt to the modern world.
stupid 19 y/o freeloading student said:
"There'll be loads of people who just want to go in and buy gold and come out. To prevent them kind of reminds me of when they had signs saying 'no blacks'."
If you can tell me when in your 19 years you ever saw a sign here in the UK banning blacks, I'll eat my hair 
Otherwise, take that stupid thing off yer head and ingratiate yourself into British culture. Should that be too hard, then f@ck off!
ETA: what use is the female 'meet 'n greet' element going to achieve? Do Muslim women not commit crimes too - or any woman for that matter?
Edited by asbo on Tuesday 28th April 14:33
asbo said:
stupid 19 y/o freeloading student said:
"There'll be loads of people who just want to go in and buy gold and come out. To prevent them kind of reminds me of when they had signs saying 'no blacks'."
If you can tell me when in your 19 years you ever saw a sign here in the UK banning blacks, I'll eat my hair Otherwise, take that stupid thing off yer head and ingratiate yourself into British culture. Should that be too hard, then f@ck off!
ETA: what use is the female 'meet 'n greet' element going to achieve? Do Muslim women not commit crimes too - or any woman for that matter?
Edited by asbo on Tuesday 28th April 14:33
Why do these people come to this country in the first place!? Is it not to get away from their culture and seek a new life in Britain where they have a chance at a decent future? Because if that is the case, then why the feck are they constantly trying to change Britain into the very place they fled in the first place!!
If you don't like the way things work here.....f
k off!!! That is quite simply not racism, but a society (Britain) trying to preserve what little of it's cultural rights remain!!! You had a choice in coming here. Either adapt to our society, or go back to your own!You wouldnt walk into someone elses house and start rearranging their furniture would you?!!! SAME FECKING PRINCIPLE!
Racism and Political Correctness works both ways.....but it seems the views of the minority are given more voice and protection than the majority.
Stolen from another thread but highlights how sorry things have become here;
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,2536...
Worth reading.
KB_S1 said:
AFAIC if you find it offensive or against your beliefs to show your face in public then you cannot expect to access aspects of public life that are security sensitive. Send someone else or adapt to the modern world.
Oh tut tut tut Mr KB! You clearly haven't been to your Diversity training or your Inclusiveness and Integration workshop recently have you? Maybe we should think about some kind of fine we can apply to you. After all, we can't have such unfeeling thoughts in our loving-caring-sharing society can we?
Oli.
KB_S1 said:
The full face covering is a pretty rare sight in glasgow, even in the Southside where there is a large Muslim community.
I am surprised that the jewelers did not have some sort of policy already.
They seem to be pro-active in the implementing of the policy as they say they will make arrangements for female staff to meet/confirm any female clients who wish to where the veils.
AFAIC if you find it offensive or against your beliefs to show your face in public then you cannot expect to access aspects of public life that are security sensitive. Send someone else or adapt to the modern world.
Well said....we should be establishing ground rules that dont discriminate against anyone.I am surprised that the jewelers did not have some sort of policy already.
They seem to be pro-active in the implementing of the policy as they say they will make arrangements for female staff to meet/confirm any female clients who wish to where the veils.
AFAIC if you find it offensive or against your beliefs to show your face in public then you cannot expect to access aspects of public life that are security sensitive. Send someone else or adapt to the modern world.
Right now any rule/law is being disputed with this religious discrimination attitude!
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