Plane Stupid and Police Investigation

Plane Stupid and Police Investigation

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Fittster

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20,120 posts

219 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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"Undercover police are running a network of hundreds of informants inside protest organisations who secretly feed them intelligence in return for cash, according to evidence handed to the Guardian"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/24/strathcly...

Anyone a little uncomfortable about the methods the police are using against protestors?

elster

17,517 posts

216 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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Not really.

Seems better to know what they are going to do, before they do it.

Remember Plane Stupid have cost you a hell of a lot of money.

paddyhasneeds

54,489 posts

216 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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I don't have an issue with investigations into criminal activity, for example nobody would be complaining if this was some group suspected of planning a bank robbery.

It does feel lately as if the Police are becoming more of an enforcer of what the state considers desirable and undesirable activities, even if they are within the law, than solely being there to protect and serve the public.

FM

5,816 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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paddyhasneeds said:
I don't have an issue with investigations into criminal activity, for example nobody would be complaining if this was some group suspected of planning a bank robbery.

It does feel lately as if the Police are becoming more of an enforcer of what the state considers desirable and undesirable activities, even if they are within the law, than solely being there to protect and serve the public.
yes

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

217 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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Plane stupid rarely act within the law. Unless you call criminal damage acting within the law.

Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

228 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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I don't think they should pay them money to get information, they should beat the shit out of them.

These asshole protesters, cost the tax payer a bloody fortune. AND WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

johnnywb

1,631 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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I don't see the problem at all. These people resort to illegal methods to inconvenience members of the public in order to get their point across. If the Police are preventing illegal activity, then they can do what they need to within reason. I really don't see why the police running informants is suddenly big news?

MrV

2,748 posts

234 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Police paying for information is hardly a new thing though ,there have always been informants willing to pass on information for the right money incentives.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

261 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Fittster said:
Anyone a little uncomfortable about the methods the police are using against protestors?
No...

Now, if they were actually SHOOTING protesters.....























That would be better...

smile

Jasandjules

70,415 posts

235 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Just wait until we want to protest about fuel prices and the police use the same methods...........

Saddle bum

4,211 posts

225 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Jasandjules said:
Just wait until we want to protest about fuel prices and the police use the same methods...........
Eggsakerly.

Perhaps we ought to out the resident spooks on PH. You don't have to wear a tin-foil hat to believe they are around.

turbobloke

106,808 posts

266 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Quite probably the police have already used similar methods, given that after the devastating political effect of the first fuel protests - far greater than any material impact - the muppets in charge were prepared to use anti-terrorist laws anyway.

The key thing is, if a member of an organisation as plain stupid as Plane Stupid provides information on activities that are unlawful, and is paid for their role in upholding the law, it's not desirable but certainly acceptable to me. if any motoring organisation I was a member of wished to participate in unlawful protests then I would no longer be a member and they would deserve what they get.

Lawful protest is fine. If the rest can be prevented by infiltration and a bit of folding then OK.

paddyhasneeds

54,489 posts

216 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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turbobloke said:
Lawful protest is fine. If the rest can be prevented by infiltration and a bit of folding then OK.
If the law's being broken I agree.

I suspect there's a bit of "mission creep" though - as the article on protester information being passed to EON demonstrated last week.