Spain. Well feked.

[Tony*T3]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8016364.stm

HArd to beleive these figures. If it happened that fast here thered be riots.

(well, proper riots, not the crap we usually have).

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Lol....you think that's bad!!!!!!

Just imagine what our unemployment rate would be now if there wasnt all those public sector non-jobs!!!!

[grumbledoak]

I would have thought the rate is already higher than that here, just all disguised as long term sick, or NHS 'employees' with clipboards and really bad suits.

[ianash]

Those are pretty scarry figures. It is worth bearing in mind that Spain has always had high unemployment figures compared to the UK. Also I don't think their Government oiked large numbers of their unemployed onto sickness benefits like our shabby lot, in order to massage the unemployment figures.

[digger_R]

that is their unemployment rate, I thought the one we keep seeing reported in the UK is the percentage claiming unemployment benefit - I assume the difference is fairly sifgnificant

[navier_stokes]

Half the jobless are probably the UK chavs who moved over to the Costa del Sol!

[Deva Link]

I saw a report today talking about the possibility of civil unrest in Germany due to a forecast GDP contraction of 6% (that's absolutely massive) bringing rapidly rising unemployment.

[sone]

It will be even worse later this year when no one goes to Spain from here because of the strenth of the Euro. I also think that you'll find that like every other MP the Spanish will have adjusted their own figures to look better than they really are!. It not just our lot that are crooked.

[Gunny Sergeant D]

grumbledoak said:

I would have thought the rate is already higher than that here, just all disguised as long term sick, or NHS 'employees' with clipboards and really bad suits.

Worse here if you measure the long term sick, 20% 7.85 million. We will go over 9m

[Randy Winkman]

My God - Gordon Brown's ruined Spain too!

[fridaypassion]

civil unrest on the continent would play right into the governemtns hands really as it will highlight what GB has been banging on about ie the "global crisis" etc which really is true but we just get sick of hearing about it! The reality is that we probably are better off than most of europe mainly due to already having a fked manufacturing sector. it of an odd gogdesnd but there we go.

Edited by fridaypassion on Friday 24th April 23:02

[chr15b]

sone said:

It will be even worse later this year when no one goes to Spain from here because of the strenth of the Euro. I also think that you'll find that like every other MP the Spanish will have adjusted their own figures to look better than they really are!. It not just our lot that are crooked.

i've just got back from spain, very very expensive for what used to be a 'cheap break'

infact it was twice the price of our holiday in Cuba last year, and i know which i prefered

[Gunny Sergeant D]

Randy Winkman said:

My God - Gordon Brown's ruined Spain too!

No lets not be stupid. Gordon ruined the UK.

[anonymous-user]

Gunny Sergeant D said:

grumbledoak said:

I would have thought the rate is already higher than that here, just all disguised as long term sick, or NHS 'employees' with clipboards and really bad suits.

Worse here if you measure the long term sick, 20% 7.85 million. We will go over 9m

Where do you get that stat from? It's not one that I have heard before and it sounds totally unbeleivable. (I'm quite happy to believe it if you quote the source and it's not the Daily Mail).

[Gunny Sergeant D]

unrepentant said:

Gunny Sergeant D said:

grumbledoak said:

I would have thought the rate is already higher than that here, just all disguised as long term sick, or NHS 'employees' with clipboards and really bad suits.

Worse here if you measure the long term sick, 20% 7.85 million. We will go over 9m

Where do you get that stat from? It's not one that I have heard before and it sounds totally unbeleivable. (I'm quite happy to believe it if you quote the source and it's not the Daily Mail).

Sorry pal, dont read the Mail - st paper for the blowhard brigade. Try the Orifice of National Statistics.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=12

[anonymous-user]

Gunny Sergeant D said:

unrepentant said:

Gunny Sergeant D said:

grumbledoak said:

I would have thought the rate is already higher than that here, just all disguised as long term sick, or NHS 'employees' with clipboards and really bad suits.

Worse here if you measure the long term sick, 20% 7.85 million. We will go over 9m

Where do you get that stat from? It's not one that I have heard before and it sounds totally unbeleivable. (I'm quite happy to believe it if you quote the source and it's not the Daily Mail).

Sorry pal, dont read the Mail - st paper for the blowhard brigade. Try the Orifice of National Statistics.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=12

Are you referring to this stat;

"The inactivity rate for people of working age was 20.7 per cent for the three months to February 2009, virtually unchanged over the previous quarter but down 0.1 over the year. The number of economically inactive people of working age fell by 5,000 over the quarter and by 9,000 over the year to reach 7.85 million."

As that figure is the overall "inactivity rate" I assume it is inclusive of the 2.1 million unemployed? And presumably includes all those people who are of working age but have chosen to retire early? I would be interested in the stat for people who are inactive and claiming sickness / invalidity benefit as a result. I thought it was around 3 million? I can't see it there but I must asmit I haven't trawled through in detail.


Ok, just seen this at the bottom;

"Notes:
People in employment, unemployed and economically inactive make up the total household population aged 16 and over, measured through the Labour Force Survey on a consistent basis since 1971.

Working age is defined as 16-64 for men and 16-59 for women."

So the 7.85 million does include all the unemployed and anyone under retirement age who has finished working and all housewives etc.... as well as those on disability and sickness.

[Asterix]

Then add in the state workers - they don't contribute either.
We'll the do in taxes etc... but do not generate wealth.

Edited by Asterix on Saturday 25th April 11:45

[Randy Winkman]

Asterix said:

Then add in the state workers - they don't contribute either.
We'll the do in taxes etc... but do not generate wealth.

Edited by Asterix on Saturday 25th April 11:45

Assisting sick people, teaching kids, putting out fires, solving crimes ... aren't they quite important contributions? Aren't they as important as "generating wealth" by for instance, selling people mobile phones that look a bit different from their previous ones?

[Asterix]

Randy Winkman said:

Asterix said:

Then add in the state workers - they don't contribute either.
We'll the do in taxes etc... but do not generate wealth.

Edited by Asterix on Saturday 25th April 11:45

Assisting sick people, teaching kids, putting out fires, solving crimes ... aren't they quite important contributions? Aren't they as important as "generating wealth" by for instance, selling people mobile phones that look a bit different from their previous ones?

I fully agree - those at the sharp end are invaluable.

However, 1 sick person does not need 25 managers to make sure the paperwork is done. If the state was efficient then it wouldn't be an issue, as it stands - it's a joke.

[Randy Winkman]

Asterix said:

Randy Winkman said:

Asterix said:

Then add in the state workers - they don't contribute either.
We'll the do in taxes etc... but do not generate wealth.

Edited by Asterix on Saturday 25th April 11:45

Assisting sick people, teaching kids, putting out fires, solving crimes ... aren't they quite important contributions? Aren't they as important as "generating wealth" by for instance, selling people mobile phones that look a bit different from their previous ones?

I fully agree - those at the sharp end are invaluable.

However, 1 sick person does not need 25 managers to make sure the paperwork is done. If the state was efficient then it wouldn't be an issue, as it stands - it's a joke.

Fair point - I just thought it was wrong to appear to lump public sector workers with the "takers" rather than the "contributors" with no explanation.