Teachers demanding more money again...
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Teachers seem to be 'demanding' a 10% or £3k pay rise!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7996920.stm
Why is it that teachers never seem to stop going on about how they are so badly paid?
I wish i was getting a 10% pay rise this year! instead i am getting more of a pay freeze
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7996920.stm
Why is it that teachers never seem to stop going on about how they are so badly paid?
I wish i was getting a 10% pay rise this year! instead i am getting more of a pay freeze
Duke of Rothesay said:
20% of UK adults are functioally illiterate as a result of the failings of our education system.
Most third world countries do better.
It's ok though, we teach them drama and self awareness.Most third world countries do better.
C tery of the higest order.
I'd have more respect for teachers if kids leaving school could actually read and write.
Duke of Rothesay said:
20% of UK adults are functioally illiterate as a result of the failings of our education system.
Most third world countries do better.
I know it's just a typo, but the irony of it made me chuckle inwardly. Most third world countries do better.
Oh, there's not enough money in the world to convince me to become a teacher.
The chap over the road is a teacher.
He borrowed my 12v tyre pump once and came over five minutes later holding both ends asking what to do with them.
I went over slightly bewildered to show him how to inflate his 4 bald tyres.
When I'd finished he and his wife drove off in the car, with the 4 bald tyres, with their kids in the back.
Scary that such people are responsible for our kids education.
He borrowed my 12v tyre pump once and came over five minutes later holding both ends asking what to do with them.
I went over slightly bewildered to show him how to inflate his 4 bald tyres.
When I'd finished he and his wife drove off in the car, with the 4 bald tyres, with their kids in the back.
Scary that such people are responsible for our kids education.
GKP said:
Duke of Rothesay said:
20% of UK adults are functioally illiterate as a result of the failings of our education system.
Most third world countries do better.
I know it's just a typo, but the irony of it made me chuckle inwardly. Most third world countries do better.
Oh, there's not enough money in the world to convince me to become a teacher.
1) It's the union that is demanding the pay increase. A large number of teachers - my girlfriend included - are happy with their current pay system.
2) It was the unions that requested the last pay deal - many teachers were against any form of action, but were tied in to what the union wanted.
3) Some of the comments from Sarah McCarthy-Fry, Schools Minister, are a little tenuous to say the least:
"We have also cut teachers' working hours, dramatically reduced the amount of administrative tasks they are expected to do, doubled the number of support staff and given them time outside of the classroom to plan and prepare lessons."
I can't speak for all teachers, but I can speak for the one I live with. She is only in her fourth year of primary school teaching but there has been no reduction in working hours since she started. She works from 8am until 6pm every day, and then has between one and three hours of marking and short-term planning to do each school night. She then has around six hours of work to do on a weekend. A teacher is supposed to have a half-day each week in order to spend time outside of the classroom, but since last September my girlfriend has only managed to have that time twice...something else needing the time always seems to crop up.
As for the much-hyped thirteen weeks of holiday time per year, my missus spends five of those weeks doing long-term planning, resource work and school prep. So that leaves eight weeks of holiday per year, which is decent enough I'll admit (she has no complaints).
In terms of administration, the amounts of such red-tape have probably increased over the past two years rather than anything else. Yes, she's quite ambitious and so she is taking on a fair amount of extra responsibility (management points, SEAL co-ordination work, PSHE input, SEN training, etc) but, even so, the amount she is expected to do is pretty bad.
And all for £26k a year. Yeah, it's a fantastic job!
The thing is, most teachers don't complain about the working hours or the pay. They do complain about the endless amounts of administration they have to deal with, and they do have issues with the amount of interference from parents who think they know best.
The country needs teachers, and it stands to reason that in order to attract and keep the best people for the job, the overall pay package needs to be decent. I'd rather pay more cash for good teachers than pay less and have mediocre individuals in the roles. Oh, and the notion that teachers "choose to do the job" is a moot idea, as someone has to do it!
Rant over.
2) It was the unions that requested the last pay deal - many teachers were against any form of action, but were tied in to what the union wanted.
3) Some of the comments from Sarah McCarthy-Fry, Schools Minister, are a little tenuous to say the least:
"We have also cut teachers' working hours, dramatically reduced the amount of administrative tasks they are expected to do, doubled the number of support staff and given them time outside of the classroom to plan and prepare lessons."
I can't speak for all teachers, but I can speak for the one I live with. She is only in her fourth year of primary school teaching but there has been no reduction in working hours since she started. She works from 8am until 6pm every day, and then has between one and three hours of marking and short-term planning to do each school night. She then has around six hours of work to do on a weekend. A teacher is supposed to have a half-day each week in order to spend time outside of the classroom, but since last September my girlfriend has only managed to have that time twice...something else needing the time always seems to crop up.
As for the much-hyped thirteen weeks of holiday time per year, my missus spends five of those weeks doing long-term planning, resource work and school prep. So that leaves eight weeks of holiday per year, which is decent enough I'll admit (she has no complaints).
In terms of administration, the amounts of such red-tape have probably increased over the past two years rather than anything else. Yes, she's quite ambitious and so she is taking on a fair amount of extra responsibility (management points, SEAL co-ordination work, PSHE input, SEN training, etc) but, even so, the amount she is expected to do is pretty bad.
And all for £26k a year. Yeah, it's a fantastic job!
The thing is, most teachers don't complain about the working hours or the pay. They do complain about the endless amounts of administration they have to deal with, and they do have issues with the amount of interference from parents who think they know best.
The country needs teachers, and it stands to reason that in order to attract and keep the best people for the job, the overall pay package needs to be decent. I'd rather pay more cash for good teachers than pay less and have mediocre individuals in the roles. Oh, and the notion that teachers "choose to do the job" is a moot idea, as someone has to do it!
Rant over.
Daughter is a teacher and the pay is poor for the hours they put in, and the hassle they get from kids, parents, the school management, the local authority and everybody else who thinks they should have an input.
Her school is closing next year and the teachers will be made redundant, so it's not even the not the job for life everyone thinks it is.
Money looks better at a senior level yet they can't get enough teachers to move up to headteacher and most of the existing ones just want to leave. Friend of ours bailed out at Easter of what looks like a nice little primary school in a rural area but the politics were making her ill. There was one applicant (deemed unsutiable) for her job when it was advertised.
Her school is closing next year and the teachers will be made redundant, so it's not even the not the job for life everyone thinks it is.
Money looks better at a senior level yet they can't get enough teachers to move up to headteacher and most of the existing ones just want to leave. Friend of ours bailed out at Easter of what looks like a nice little primary school in a rural area but the politics were making her ill. There was one applicant (deemed unsutiable) for her job when it was advertised.
A friend of ours is a head of department and teaches "I.T." in a secondary school.
Her knowledge of IT and her general computing abilities are from what I can see totally non-existant, it really is alarming.
She's forever whinging when she has to go to work - despite the massive amount of holidays that they get (and nobody dare pipe-up that they spend all holidays marking work and preparing - my arse they do!) and then there is the colossal amount of sick leave she takes.
Oh - lets also remember all of those teachers who took early retirement at 50-55 and then went back supply teaching the week after. What a farce!
Her knowledge of IT and her general computing abilities are from what I can see totally non-existant, it really is alarming.
She's forever whinging when she has to go to work - despite the massive amount of holidays that they get (and nobody dare pipe-up that they spend all holidays marking work and preparing - my arse they do!) and then there is the colossal amount of sick leave she takes.
Oh - lets also remember all of those teachers who took early retirement at 50-55 and then went back supply teaching the week after. What a farce!
ehyouwhat said:
As for the much-hyped thirteen weeks of holiday time per year, my missus spends five of those weeks doing long-term planning, resource work and school prep.
For primary kids.
CHINNY CHIN CHIN CHINNY RECKON ITCHY BELM. JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY HILL.
Careful with that nose.
Edited by Soovy on Monday 13th April 18:50
ehyouwhat said:
Oh, and the notion that teachers "choose to do the job" is a moot idea, as someone has to do it!
Respectfully, that's how jobs work surely?The ladies who clean the toilets at work would probably choose to do something different if life had dealt them a different hand, but they play the hand they're dealt and don't get to go to conferences where their unions demand 10% pay rises.
Soovy said:
ehyouwhat said:
As for the much-hyped thirteen weeks of holiday time per year, my missus spends five of those weeks doing long-term planning, resource work and school prep.
For primary kids.
CHINNY CHIN CHIN CHINNY RECKON ITCHY BELM. JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY HILL.
Careful with that nose.
Edited by Soovy on Monday 13th April 18:50
paddyhasneeds said:
ehyouwhat said:
Oh, and the notion that teachers "choose to do the job" is a moot idea, as someone has to do it!
Respectfully, that's how jobs work surely?The ladies who clean the toilets at work would probably choose to do something different if life had dealt them a different hand, but they play the hand they're dealt and don't get to go to conferences where their unions demand 10% pay rises.
Soovy said:
Lazy part timers.
None of them would last five minutes in the commercial world.
Funny, I've done 15 years in the commercial world with no problems; many of my colleagues have also spent time teaching. I think it's the other way around, people who think teaching is easy (finish at 3.30, 13 weeks holiday a year, etc) who wouldn't last 5 minutes in the classroom.None of them would last five minutes in the commercial world.
Not seen you post for a while Soovy, have you been away?
GF is an English teacher; she changed jobs and in doing so went from £35k a year running a pub to £11k a year as a study supervisor. When she did her training year it went up to £14k.
Now in her NQT year she is on £20.5k a year, this is the same pay scale as that advertised on television where they claim that you can earn £35k a year as a teacher; it would take years to get on this pay unless you were head of department/head or year/deputy head etc.
I agree with you Soovy the kids of today across the board are leaving school unable to do the 3R's and it shows at all levels through to University graduates.
I have waited to pick her up on the odd occasion when we were driving up North and have seen lots of teachers leaving 20mins after the kids. Its the same with all professions, you get some grafters and some slackers with the majority probably between the two.
What we need is honest appraisal of kid’s abilities good and bad with pay to match.
All kids cannot get top marks and the sooner we stop trying to improving the results every year the better.
I suppose part of the problem now is trying to teach what comes in the front door, second generation scum bags on benefits that see absolutely no work ethic at home. As well as the arrogance of some middle class kids who think the world owes them whatever they want.
Now in her NQT year she is on £20.5k a year, this is the same pay scale as that advertised on television where they claim that you can earn £35k a year as a teacher; it would take years to get on this pay unless you were head of department/head or year/deputy head etc.
I agree with you Soovy the kids of today across the board are leaving school unable to do the 3R's and it shows at all levels through to University graduates.
I have waited to pick her up on the odd occasion when we were driving up North and have seen lots of teachers leaving 20mins after the kids. Its the same with all professions, you get some grafters and some slackers with the majority probably between the two.
What we need is honest appraisal of kid’s abilities good and bad with pay to match.
All kids cannot get top marks and the sooner we stop trying to improving the results every year the better.
I suppose part of the problem now is trying to teach what comes in the front door, second generation scum bags on benefits that see absolutely no work ethic at home. As well as the arrogance of some middle class kids who think the world owes them whatever they want.
Several points to start on MPS1 or similar is poor negotiation,
Teachers leaving 20 mins after the kids could have spent the 20mins getting their paperwork together prior to heading home to keep working, or you have picked the day when they will say the same about your GF. There isn't enough money in the world to get me to teach, I tried the PGCE course and the stress was way to high, and I worked for companies that where one order away from bankruptcy that was less stressful.
Teachers leaving 20 mins after the kids could have spent the 20mins getting their paperwork together prior to heading home to keep working, or you have picked the day when they will say the same about your GF. There isn't enough money in the world to get me to teach, I tried the PGCE course and the stress was way to high, and I worked for companies that where one order away from bankruptcy that was less stressful.
As with most unions Soovy, the people who actually turn up and campaign don't really give a true representation for the rest of us, OK? Bearing in mind we are all on holiday and none of my teacher mates or myself knew anything about a pay rise "quest" do you really think we give a s
t about it? Clearly its the yearly Union wingefest to make us think they are doing something useful for our subs.
I am more than happy with my pay and conditions as a teacher, but if I'm honest would like a few of my kids to actually have been taught some fking initiative by their parents if that's OK? Of course the mods could just merge this with the exact same thread from last year but where would be the fun in that ?
t about it? Clearly its the yearly Union wingefest to make us think they are doing something useful for our subs.I am more than happy with my pay and conditions as a teacher, but if I'm honest would like a few of my kids to actually have been taught some f
king initiative by their parents if that's OK? Of course the mods could just merge this with the exact same thread from last year but where would be the fun in that ?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff