Photographers Being Arrested for merely taking Photos
Discussion
This is an ever increasing problem, especially with a new law coming into force on monday, that will make it an arrestable offense to take a photo of a policeman.
This is really the thin end of the wedge, who will watch the watchers? Will photographers be arrested for taking pictures of the police at demonstrations?
Look here...
Photographer Arrested
Pap The Police
Photographer Arrested
British Journal of Photography Reaction
Short Film on the Law and the hassels photographers face currently
These are only a few examples.....No photographs of the police have EVER been found in the possession of a terrorist...this is another erosion of our supposed freedom in the war on terror....
This is really the thin end of the wedge, who will watch the watchers? Will photographers be arrested for taking pictures of the police at demonstrations?
Look here...
Photographer Arrested
Pap The Police
Photographer Arrested
British Journal of Photography Reaction
Short Film on the Law and the hassels photographers face currently
These are only a few examples.....No photographs of the police have EVER been found in the possession of a terrorist...this is another erosion of our supposed freedom in the war on terror....
addyman said:
This is an ever increasing problem, especially with a new law coming into force on monday, that will make it an arrestable offense to take a photo of a policeman.
This is really the thin end of the wedge, who will watch the watchers? Will photographers be arrested for taking pictures of the police at demonstrations?
Look here...
Photographer Arrested
Pap The Police
Photographer Arrested
British Journal of Photography Reaction
Short Film on the Law and the hassels photographers face currently
These are only a few examples.....No photographs of the police have EVER been found in the possession of a terrorist...this is another erosion of our supposed freedom in the war on terror....
that's outrageous. WTF is the justification for this??This is really the thin end of the wedge, who will watch the watchers? Will photographers be arrested for taking pictures of the police at demonstrations?
Look here...
Photographer Arrested
Pap The Police
Photographer Arrested
British Journal of Photography Reaction
Short Film on the Law and the hassels photographers face currently
These are only a few examples.....No photographs of the police have EVER been found in the possession of a terrorist...this is another erosion of our supposed freedom in the war on terror....
Just look at that chap yesterday who was sent back home following the Home Office banning him from coming to the UK. While his film about the Koran may not be to everyones tastes he should surely be free to show and discuss it.
The county is f
ked and I do wonder if any of this legislation will be reversed or removed following the removal of Labour.
The county is f
ked and I do wonder if any of this legislation will be reversed or removed following the removal of Labour.
Jesus, this is unbelievable. So the police can tool themselves up with headcams and cctv and film anything THEY want to be seen, but a member of the public is no longer allowed the same acces to evidence.
This is getting truly scarey.
We all know that these laws are not designed and never will be used to fight terrorism, they are being introduved because the police are getting increasingly p1ssed off with people filming them doing things they shouldn't be doing, like the CSO tt caught on film being a complete twunt in that last clip.
Problem seems to be that no-one in this political system seems to realise that the 'public' do not want these continuing controls being laid upon us.
I, personally, would rather have 90% of the recent anti-terrorism legislation removed... I'll then take my chances that a terrorist may actually get me.
And to answer the point that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear... just what was that photographer in the clip doing wrong? Nothing. yet a CSO challenged him and was rightly told to GTF. It appears that next week, the CSO will be able to drag that photographer down to the station and arrest, finger print him, and add his DNA to the police database.
What do we DO about this though... how do we stop it? Voting Labour out won't be enough.
This is getting truly scarey.
We all know that these laws are not designed and never will be used to fight terrorism, they are being introduved because the police are getting increasingly p1ssed off with people filming them doing things they shouldn't be doing, like the CSO t
t caught on film being a complete twunt in that last clip.Problem seems to be that no-one in this political system seems to realise that the 'public' do not want these continuing controls being laid upon us.
I, personally, would rather have 90% of the recent anti-terrorism legislation removed... I'll then take my chances that a terrorist may actually get me.
And to answer the point that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear... just what was that photographer in the clip doing wrong? Nothing. yet a CSO challenged him and was rightly told to GTF. It appears that next week, the CSO will be able to drag that photographer down to the station and arrest, finger print him, and add his DNA to the police database.
What do we DO about this though... how do we stop it? Voting Labour out won't be enough.
Is the issue that taking pics of security arrangements might be useful to terrorists? That might include the number and type of police officers ( ie local BiB vs SO19).
I haven't looked at a proper web site, rather than the blog/interest sites to read what the law intends, but the fact Mark Thomas is protesting doesn't exactly add weight to the issue as he would go along and protest at the opening of a bag of crisps.
I haven't looked at a proper web site, rather than the blog/interest sites to read what the law intends, but the fact Mark Thomas is protesting doesn't exactly add weight to the issue as he would go along and protest at the opening of a bag of crisps.
Slightly off topic, and this didn't result in an arrest, but my dad had trouble when he was photographing funfair rides at a fair last year. Just for the record, he has been photographing the lorries, rides etc for around 25 years and the problems have only started happening in recent times.
He was at a fair taking some snaps when two site security guards and a PCSO came over to him. They asked him to accompany them to their site office. Being a polite person he said ok and went to the office.
When he got there he was told that somebody had accused him of taking photographs of their children on the rides. WTF! They said that unless he was able to prove otherwise they would be contacting the police about this matter.
Cue my dad emptying his camera bag on the table, which happened to be full of pictures of fair lorries and rides. After proving this my dad picked up his stuff and walked out of the office. He was quite quite annoyed about this episode and felt the manner of the security guards and the PCSO was very patronising. The guards especially were on a big power trip. I am glad it went so smoothly because my dad wouldn't have patience for numpties like this!
He was also very shocked about the accusations. As someone who is married to a child minder and has 3 kids of his own, he thought the whole idea of someone accusing him of taking photos of their kids quite sickening.
This has only started happening recently but I think it gives you an idea about what is happening to photographers in society now. Everyone is so paranoid, I think the government are getting what they wanted, a nation in fear!
Sorry if this is deemed irrelevant to this thread, just thought i'd add it.
He was at a fair taking some snaps when two site security guards and a PCSO came over to him. They asked him to accompany them to their site office. Being a polite person he said ok and went to the office.
When he got there he was told that somebody had accused him of taking photographs of their children on the rides. WTF! They said that unless he was able to prove otherwise they would be contacting the police about this matter.
Cue my dad emptying his camera bag on the table, which happened to be full of pictures of fair lorries and rides. After proving this my dad picked up his stuff and walked out of the office. He was quite quite annoyed about this episode and felt the manner of the security guards and the PCSO was very patronising. The guards especially were on a big power trip. I am glad it went so smoothly because my dad wouldn't have patience for numpties like this!
He was also very shocked about the accusations. As someone who is married to a child minder and has 3 kids of his own, he thought the whole idea of someone accusing him of taking photos of their kids quite sickening.
This has only started happening recently but I think it gives you an idea about what is happening to photographers in society now. Everyone is so paranoid, I think the government are getting what they wanted, a nation in fear!
Sorry if this is deemed irrelevant to this thread, just thought i'd add it.
What makes me laugh is that this is discrimination against people with
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BIG CAMERAS.
You hold a little diddy point and shoot at chest height and no-one will notice, or care, and that include Police Officers. Get your SLR out with a big lens and the great unwashed think you're a paedophile.
I despair. I really do.
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BIG CAMERAS.
You hold a little diddy point and shoot at chest height and no-one will notice, or care, and that include Police Officers. Get your SLR out with a big lens and the great unwashed think you're a paedophile.
I despair. I really do.
I've just finished a book by Simon Sebag-Montefiore called 'Monsters'. Very good book, describing the actions and deeds of some of history's most evil men and women. Reading sections on, for example, Hitler, Stalin and Mao amongst others, shows up some truly shocking acts against public freedom that seem to be finding parallels in the direction this country's glorious 'leaders' are taking. Ok, we're not quite purging the intellectuals with bullets yet, but before how long......?
Brown and Boris said:
Is the issue that taking pics of security arrangements might be useful to terrorists? That might include the number and type of police officers ( ie local BiB vs SO19).
I haven't looked at a proper web site, rather than the blog/interest sites to read what the law intends, but the fact Mark Thomas is protesting doesn't exactly add weight to the issue as he would go along and protest at the opening of a bag of crisps.
It's the general breadth of the law, and thats what leaves it open to abuse.....I haven't looked at a proper web site, rather than the blog/interest sites to read what the law intends, but the fact Mark Thomas is protesting doesn't exactly add weight to the issue as he would go along and protest at the opening of a bag of crisps.
The British Journal of Photoraphy and Austin Mitchell MP are both against this law....Austin Mitchell MP is the MP that was threatened with arrest for taking pictures of people queing the the Labour Party Confernce.....
All people add weight, no matter who they are, this is ANOTHER crap law that will be used to erode our freedoms ...
I see a new sport cropping up...taking photos of police whilst someone is filming you discretely from a distance to see what happens.......;)
This is a serious matter though....
Nothing TO hide Argument
If the police have nothing to hide then we should be able to film them.....
Edited by addyman on Friday 13th February 09:10
Edited by addyman on Friday 13th February 09:10
funkyrobot said:
Slightly off topic, and this didn't result in an arrest, but my dad had trouble when he was photographing funfair rides at a fair last year. Just for the record, he has been photographing the lorries, rides etc for around 25 years and the problems have only started happening in recent times.
He was at a fair taking some snaps when two site security guards and a PCSO came over to him. They asked him to accompany them to their site office. Being a polite person he said ok and went to the office.
When he got there he was told that somebody had accused him of taking photographs of their children on the rides. WTF! They said that unless he was able to prove otherwise they would be contacting the police about this matter.
Cue my dad emptying his camera bag on the table, which happened to be full of pictures of fair lorries and rides. After proving this my dad picked up his stuff and walked out of the office. He was quite quite annoyed about this episode and felt the manner of the security guards and the PCSO was very patronising. The guards especially were on a big power trip. I am glad it went so smoothly because my dad wouldn't have patience for numpties like this!
He was also very shocked about the accusations. As someone who is married to a child minder and has 3 kids of his own, he thought the whole idea of someone accusing him of taking photos of their kids quite sickening.
This has only started happening recently but I think it gives you an idea about what is happening to photographers in society now. Everyone is so paranoid, I think the government are getting what they wanted, a nation in fear!
Sorry if this is deemed irrelevant to this thread, just thought i'd add it.
That is outragous - If it is a travelling fair rather than something like Alton Towers, it's a public place and you can take pictures of what you like.He was at a fair taking some snaps when two site security guards and a PCSO came over to him. They asked him to accompany them to their site office. Being a polite person he said ok and went to the office.
When he got there he was told that somebody had accused him of taking photographs of their children on the rides. WTF! They said that unless he was able to prove otherwise they would be contacting the police about this matter.
Cue my dad emptying his camera bag on the table, which happened to be full of pictures of fair lorries and rides. After proving this my dad picked up his stuff and walked out of the office. He was quite quite annoyed about this episode and felt the manner of the security guards and the PCSO was very patronising. The guards especially were on a big power trip. I am glad it went so smoothly because my dad wouldn't have patience for numpties like this!
He was also very shocked about the accusations. As someone who is married to a child minder and has 3 kids of his own, he thought the whole idea of someone accusing him of taking photos of their kids quite sickening.
This has only started happening recently but I think it gives you an idea about what is happening to photographers in society now. Everyone is so paranoid, I think the government are getting what they wanted, a nation in fear!
Sorry if this is deemed irrelevant to this thread, just thought i'd add it.
scorp said:
As luck would have it I'm emigrating today. Thank god. I'll try not to let the door hit me on the way out. Have fun in your police state guys. 
I hope you fall at the airport, break your leg and can't fly for weeks. [Disclaimer: The above may be untruths borne from jealousy]
Seriously though, you lucky lucky b
d. The important thing is the law is about to change. The previous heavyhandedness was bad, but mostly just stupid PSCOs who are qualified enough to become proper police. The concern is now they will actually have real powers. This country is getting really worrying.
In other news, it would be good if the mods can keep this in P&P as this is more of a social/political issue I believe than a photographic one. People need to know what's happening around them. Ta.
In other news, it would be good if the mods can keep this in P&P as this is more of a social/political issue I believe than a photographic one. People need to know what's happening around them. Ta.
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