Now Gordon wants your organs

[Bing o]

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm

[ewenm]

I don't have an objection to this. It's not like I need my organs after death.

[TankRizzo]

article said:

UK Organ Donation Taskforce

[sleep envy]

Bing o said:

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm

why, what are you going to do with yours when you're dead?

personally I think it's a good idea

[Established 1984]

I've always thought that it should be opt-out rather than opt-in. And you not going to be complaining when the measure saves your life or that of somebody you love.

[elster]

I can't quite understand how anyone can be against it.

Would you not rather save a life once your a dead, rather than them rot in the ground or be cremated?

[onomatopoeia]

Bing o said:

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

I'm entirely happy to bash this government but on this occasion I agree. Organ donation should be opt out, or at minimum a donor card should be treated as absolute consent rather that requiring the relatives to be asked while they are grieving.

[Strangely Brown]

TankRizzo said:

article said:

UK Organ Donation Taskforce

[funk odyssey]

Bing o said:

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm

what's the problem with Presumed COnsent?

[King Herald]

onomatopoeia said:

Bing o said:

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

I'm entirely happy to bash this government but on this occasion I agree. Organ donation should be opt out, or at minimum a donor card should be treated as absolute consent rather that requiring the relatives to be asked while they are grieving.

Ihf, heaven forbid, something happened to my wife or daughter I'd love to know that a small part of them was living on in another persons life.

However, the report does state that Spain had the opt-out system for ten years, and found donors numbers increased when it was put back to voluntary only. And I believe the UK has decided against the opt-out system too?

[dilbert]

What would happens if such a law were combined with a euthansia law.
Would it mean that your doctor could legally sign you off for killing, cut you up, and then sell your organs for personal gain.

Edited by dilbert on Monday 17th November 13:12

[tinman0]

Bing o said:

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm

Yeah, we've done this one on PH before, and although I agree with you, you are in for a bumpy thread Prepare to be murdered by the keyboard warriors.

[ewenm]

dilbert said:

What would happens if such a law were combined with a euthansia law.
Would it mean that your doctor could sign you off for killing and then sell your organs for personal gain.

Strawman alert!

[Fatbloke]

shows just how out of touch Government is

the people want it, Government says No

[superlightr]

Its not a problem if you are dead. really dead. But as I understand it for most cases the organs to be of any use the donor has to be alive, preped and then organs removed then they die.

What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?

Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.

Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys

Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......

Patient - uncosious and thinking keep on working me docs' dont give up on me just yet, I might make it but then hears them say - never mind give up now we need his bits for another...

Edited by superlightr on Monday 17th November 13:17

[BiggusLaddus]

dilbert said:

What would happens if such a law were combined with a euthansia law.
Would it mean that your doctor could sign you off for killing and then sell your organs for personal gain.

Like in 'Coma'?

[Bing o]

tinman0 said:

Bing o said:

Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm

Yeah, we've done this one on PH before, and although I agree with you, you are in for a bumpy thread Prepare to be murdered by the keyboard warriors.

I just want to make my own choices in life rather than have the state still interfere when I'm dead.

[Mr POD]

Established 1984 said:

I've always thought that it should be opt-out rather than opt-in. And you not going to be complaining when the measure saves your life or that of somebody you love.

The only issue I have, is that I'm too cynical to believe that the surgeons will want to save me, if they can have my organs.

[funk odyssey]

superlightr said:

Its not a problem if you are dead. really dead. But as I understand it for most cases the organs to be of any use the donor has to be alive, preped and then organs removed then they die.

What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?

Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.

Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys

Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......

surely that goes for anyone with a current donor card? where's the difference?

[Gun]

Great idea, there are too many people waiting, and dying, on the transplant list.