A light sentence for stabbing?
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Saleen836

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butchstewie

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The footage is horrifying.

Credit to the shop keeper from the sound of it.

And no credit to this idiot.

The BBC said:
Sentencing the boy, Judge Ian Lawrie told the court the stabbing was a "very troubling event" but he did not take the view that the offender was a "danger".

He said: "He's still young. And he is capable of learning."

The judge told the court he was "surprised" the boy had spent three months in custody as "while the offences are serious", it was "inconsistent" with the usual process for youth cases.

Leon R

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Adolescence come to life from that CCTV footage.

Scary.

anonymoususer

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I simply think many judges are out of touch.

croyde

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FFS! The kid is a psycho and gets let off. Effing joke.

BikeBikeBIke

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It was Gloucester Crown Court and I can't find sentencing remarks. (Apparently Juvenile Courts don't publish them.)

Obviously insanely light sentence but most likely the problem is with the sentencing guidelines not with the judge. The article is very selective with choice of words IMHO to make the story more newsworthy by making the judge look like a nutter. When you see individual words as quotes linked by paraphrasing you can be 100% sure the journo is badly distorting what was said.

Either way, the system is mental, stab 2 people you need a credible punishment and our courts don't do that.

anonymoususer

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BikeBikeBIke said:
It was Gloucester Crown Court and I can't find sentencing remarks. (Apparently Juvenile Courts don't publish them.)

Obviously insanely light sentence but most likely the problem is with the sentencing guidelines not with the judge. The article is very selective with choice of words IMHO to make the story more newsworthy by making the judge look like a nutter. When you see individual words as quotes linked by paraphrasing you can be 100% sure the journo is badly distorting what was said.

Either way, the system is mental, stab 2 people you need a credible punishment and our courts don't do that.
I think this is bang on.
I read somewhere it was the maximum ?

JagLover

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An absolute joke of a sentence.

seabod91

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Think everyone is overreacting a bit here, he’s just a kid, we all did things like this as kids.

MontyPythonX

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croyde said:
FFS! The kid is a psycho and gets let off. Effing joke.
Over 10 attempts to stab her!! And get a 3 year restraining order!
Meanwhile she's scarred for life, both physical and emotional!

If the judge says he not a danger, and then a year later he reoffends, are the judges decisions/statements ever brought into question/review?

BikeBikeBIke

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"restraining order" -- It's quite comedic that the solution to him stabbing her is to make it illegal to go near her: It was illegal to stab her and that didn't stop him!

MikeM6

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seabod91 said:
Think everyone is overreacting a bit here, he s just a kid, we all did things like this as kids.
It can sometimes be tricky to tell sarcasm on forum posts... Especially with some of the stuff that gets posted on here!

Terminator X

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The judge had plenty of sympathy for the person welding the knife, absolutely zero for the victim. What a world we live in.

TX.

butchstewie

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Terminator X said:
The judge had plenty of sympathy for the person welding the knife, absolutely zero for the victim. What a world we live in.

TX.
It's where I find myself on it.

Suicidal empathy for a kid who tried to kill a girl - never mind the impact on the girl knowing he's out and about.

_Rodders_

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I remember about 20 years or so ago there was a lot of tough talk around knife crime. Even just carrying one could risk prison.

Now you can knife someone in cold blood and get away with a telling off and presumably some pointless meetings.


craigjm

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BikeBikeBIke said:
It was Gloucester Crown Court and I can't find sentencing remarks. (Apparently Juvenile Courts don't publish them.)

Obviously insanely light sentence but most likely the problem is with the sentencing guidelines not with the judge. The article is very selective with choice of words IMHO to make the story more newsworthy by making the judge look like a nutter. When you see individual words as quotes linked by paraphrasing you can be 100% sure the journo is badly distorting what was said.

Either way, the system is mental, stab 2 people you need a credible punishment and our courts don't do that.
100% this.

agtlaw

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anonymoususer said:
I think this is bang on.
I read somewhere it was the maximum ?
A Referral Order is for a maximum of 12 months but that was not the maximum sentence available in this case.

JagLover

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agtlaw said:
anonymoususer said:
I think this is bang on.
I read somewhere it was the maximum ?
A Referral Order is for a maximum of 12 months but that was not the maximum sentence available in this case.
If you can trust Google AI max sentence was five years imprisonment.

CMTMB

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I can't imagine the level of anger I would feel if that was my daughter.

These weak liberal judges are as much a danger to society as the scum doing the stabbings.

Peterpetrole

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MontyPythonX said:
If the judge says he not a danger, and then a year later he reoffends, are the judges decisions/statements ever brought into question/review?
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