Oxford University debate ~ Mogg vs Robinson and others

[Acorn1]

Despite the green haired hairridens and other Unite/ Unison sponsored leftists screeching outside, it went ahead.

A fascinating debate, now available on YouTube

Respect to all the speakers.

[butchstewie]

Worth seeing out some of the footage of Robinson during the debate.

Quite the nervous tick he seems to have got there.

[Acorn1]

Jonathan Sacerdoti was superb.

[119]

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJBZrlT2kw

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Neither side came out of it looking great. JRM probably came out of it looking the most balanced. Fox going straight in with Hitler references. Tommy Robinson sounding like a shouty pub bore.

Typical SU fayre walking past the camera at 1.33.49?

ETA the bit with Fox and the envelope was quite amusing.

Edited by Rusty Old-Banger on Monday 3rd August 10:29

[redrabbit29]

I can't tolerate looking at "Tommy" and his stupid hateful rat face.

I saw many years ago, Akala (the black rapper) absolutely destory "Tommy Robinson" on Question Time

Link: https://youtu.be/FtA21eiSmT8?si=eorhjMJVNNtDEVP9

[Jasandjules]

I saw two clips (don't know if they were all of it) but

1. A lady explaining that if it were not for security they would be killed/harmed - I am not certain that is how to win a discussion but that's lefties for you

2. A man threatening to open a picture which seemed to cause all sorts of drama

[119]

I think i read somewhere that there was a load of aggro outside the building as well?

[.:ian:.]

119 said:

I think i read somewhere that there was a load of aggro outside the building as well?

Because they cannot win via reasoned debate and need to get all shouty. You cant lose the debate if there is no debate. *points to head*

[BikeBikeBIke]

Not sure "91% of victims of Muslim violence are Muslims" is a very good argument against the proposition. If anything it supports it.

[Acorn1]

butchstewie said:

Worth seeing out some of the footage of Robinson during the debate.

Quite the nervous tick he seems to have got there.

Good observation, was there anything he said you disagreed with?

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Acorn1 said:

butchstewie said:

Worth seeing out some of the footage of Robinson during the debate.

Quite the nervous tick he seems to have got there.

Good observation, was there anything he said you disagreed with?

Does the pope st in the woods?

[wiggy001]

I listened to it on my commute yesterday and I don't think the opposing side did themselves any favours in making their case, which seemed to be based on 3 main points:

1. There are many Muslims that are not bad people
2. The Koran is being misinterpreted by radical Islamists, so those people are not Muslims
3. Tommy Robinson and co should be discredited and therefore everything they say is wrong

Quoting Osama Bin Laden's use of "live and let live" was just bizarre and JRM's argument that we shouldn't be suspicious of Islam because of Christianity was also a rather odd approach.

[dukeboy749r]

I caught sight of Lawrence Fox's nifty (okay, naff) footwear and decided they're like his politics.

Outwardly, he is all old school, acceptable and establishment. But hiding in plain site are qualities you would guess came from the wacky end of whichever side he represents and that they may not have been thought through. At all.

[DeejRC]

Larry Fox is acceptable? To whom?! I thought everybody regarded that he had gone for the deep end?!

[andymadmak]

redrabbit29 said:

I can't tolerate looking at "Tommy" and his stupid hateful rat face.

I saw many years ago, Akala (the black rapper) absolutely destory "Tommy Robinson" on Question Time

Link: https://youtu.be/FtA21eiSmT8?si=eorhjMJVNNtDEVP9

I think thats quite a creative view of that clip.

[southendpier]

seen that hyperbole is selected clips from this Oxford debate words such as 'destroyed', 'eviscerated' and 'humbled'


weird.

[M1AGM]

Jasandjules said:

I saw two clips (don't know if they were all of it) but

1. A lady explaining that if it were not for security they would be killed/harmed - I am not certain that is how to win a discussion but that's lefties for you

2. A man threatening to open a picture which seemed to cause all sorts of drama

He would be 'beaten to death' were the words used in (1).

And (2) was a cartoon of the prophet which some Muslims decided was justification to kill people.

Lovely.

[southendpier]

M1AGM said:

Jasandjules said:

I saw two clips (don't know if they were all of it) but

1. A lady explaining that if it were not for security they would be killed/harmed - I am not certain that is how to win a discussion but that's lefties for you

2. A man threatening to open a picture which seemed to cause all sorts of drama

He would be 'beaten to death' were the words used in (1).

And (2) was a cartoon of the prophet which some Muslims decided was justification to kill people.

Lovely.

2) was a actually cartoon of Jacob Rees Mogg - it was done to illustrate how totally panicked everyone got when they though it could be a carton of Mohammed, and the fear of repercussions should they be somehow involved. Quite a clever move.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

DeejRC said:

Larry Fox is acceptable? To whom?! I thought everybody regarded that he had gone for the deep end?!

He's a dick IRL. Faux-country tt who got the silent treatment in the local pub when he turned up in his shiny pickup truck with his le chams on and didn't realise he'd pissed off half of the people in there with his driving, parking, and entitled behaviour when out walking his dog, and hasn't been back since. (My very grumpy, very cynical FIL is a neighbour of his.)