The electorate
Discussion
There are lots of threads about various politicians .
Joseph de Maistre once said Every nation gets the government it deserves.
In the local elections the population have rejected the incumbents as lying incompetent egotists.
And replaced them with what will certainly be another group of lying incompetent egotists.
Joseph de Maistre once said Every nation gets the government it deserves.
In the local elections the population have rejected the incumbents as lying incompetent egotists.
And replaced them with what will certainly be another group of lying incompetent egotists.
biggbn said:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill
....so what is the alternative?
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms that have been tried from time to time. - Also Winston Churchill.Winston Churchill
....so what is the alternative?
Democracy basically means: Government by the people, of the people, for the people.... but the people are retarded. - OSHO
Basically we are screwed until we can get a level of emotional, social, economic and technological intelligence in a wide enough pool across the voter base. Either we do that through restricting the right to vote (which of course we cannot do and remain democratic) or by properly investing in young people (which we don't want to do, because greedy).
That has to be matched by making politics / governing a realistic path for the best people with genuine intentions to improve the nation, over those looking purely for their own/ related parties best interests.
It's a shame that the trad parties are so woefully out of touch and out of ideas that they can't grasp how pissed off the electorate is with them, or present them with anything resembling a clear plan that leads to visible and meaningful improvements in their lives.
I doubt Reform will deliver that either, but they've had a very slick and well-funded marketing campaign going (whether or not it's truthful or relevant to what this round of elections was actually about) and they have at least learned from other international politics that if you speak your message clearly and confidently, lots of people will vote for it. You can worry about delivering on that message later (if at all)...
I doubt Reform will deliver that either, but they've had a very slick and well-funded marketing campaign going (whether or not it's truthful or relevant to what this round of elections was actually about) and they have at least learned from other international politics that if you speak your message clearly and confidently, lots of people will vote for it. You can worry about delivering on that message later (if at all)...
Harry H said:
I know... let's give votes to 16 year olds
Of all the things that need change in our system of governance, elections etc...that one should have been at the very bottom.Sadly it's demonstrative of how the current f
kwits think. And it shows itself everywhere (education - biggest issue by far that will move the needle is VAT on private school fees... economy - what we need is growth, so let's make it a fk load more expensive and awkward to employ people... Energy - Milliband. Etc etc etc).They must stand in the Members' Bar congratulating each other on how wise they are, when the whole country looks on, astonished, at what a bunch of morons are in charge.
This country has always been fairly centrist/centre-right in political outlook on average but we now have a 5 part system it's still an even split between the left and right of centre, albeit more polarised. What FPTP will result in a GE is anyone's guess.
What is striking is the polarisation between those of high vs low income, between young vs old, high vs. low education.
What is striking is the polarisation between those of high vs low income, between young vs old, high vs. low education.
My local town's Facebook page (Labour controlled council since the 70s) is full of people telling the rest of the electorate that they are "fking idiots" for voting Labour in again, with a small reduction in majority, lost three seats to the Greens.
I'm no expert in these matters, but I'm pretty sure that nowhere throughout history has telling someone that they are a "fking idiot" because of their political leanings ever led to anyone the world over changing those beliefs.
You would surely have to be a "fking idiot" to think that they would, no?
king idiots" for voting Labour in again, with a small reduction in majority, lost three seats to the Greens. I'm no expert in these matters, but I'm pretty sure that nowhere throughout history has telling someone that they are a "f
king idiot" because of their political leanings ever led to anyone the world over changing those beliefs. You would surely have to be a "f
king idiot" to think that they would, no? Perhaps it should be a bit like jury duty?
Very few successful people of decent quality and ability are going to want to trade in that life for being a politician. The salary isn’t high enough to attract high-flyers and the scrutiny and invasion of privacy that comes with it will put off even more.
We’re doomed!
Very few successful people of decent quality and ability are going to want to trade in that life for being a politician. The salary isn’t high enough to attract high-flyers and the scrutiny and invasion of privacy that comes with it will put off even more.
We’re doomed!
fflump said:
...What FPTP will result in a GE is anyone's guess.
Most likely a hung parliament, what I find interesting is the sorts of deals that could be struck between parties the morning after a GE, or whether we will have to go for a very rare second run at it if nobody can form an agreement.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff