Mexico Unrest

[Brother D]

This is quite the escalation - Mexican army kills leader of powerful Jalisco New Generation Cartel during operation to capture him.

The faction is trying to go scorched earth on several popular tourist areas. Have Mexican family from Puerto Vallarta (and visited several times). Going to be a huge impact on tourism as this is only an hour or two drive from the AZ/Mexico boarder and it was only recently starting to recover

[Brother D]

Some videos from sort of the US equivalent of costa del sol

https://x.com/america/status/2025706046895861954/m...

Edited by Brother D on Monday 23 February 06:07

[Hippea]

Surprised there isn’t more on this, looks really bad and to be escalating

[tight fart]

It’s all over “X” shocking scenes, they had shut down the airport last night.

[BikeBikeBIke]

But why?

Are the dead guys henchmen going crazy to discourage future actions against drug barons? I'd have thought all loyalty to the dead guy would cease the moment he was dead and they'd just focus on becoming the new big wig. Smashing up American tourist resorts doesn't seem to square with that.

[Wills2]

Hippea said:

Surprised there isn t more on this, looks really bad and to be escalating

It's number 6 on the most read stories on the BBC....


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c795qgejzpxo

[55palfers]

Not going to encourage visitors for World Cup.

[Brother D]

Seems people reconsidering holiday plans..

[CT05 Nose Cone]

BikeBikeBIke said:

But why?

Are the dead guys henchmen going crazy to discourage future actions against drug barons? I'd have thought all loyalty to the dead guy would cease the moment he was dead and they'd just focus on becoming the new big wig. Smashing up American tourist resorts doesn't seem to square with that.

Demonstrating their power and intimidating the government against future operations. Those cartels have some serious firepower so aren't scared of taking on the police or military.

[BikeBikeBIke]

CT05 Nose Cone said:

Demonstrating their power and intimidating the government against future operations. Those cartels have some serious firepower so aren't scared of taking on the police or military.

I guess so. That's really quite an astonishing level of organization and commitment to the long term future of their industry. If only British Leyland had the same long term strategy for their own success.

[fiatpower]

BikeBikeBIke said:

But why?

Are the dead guys henchmen going crazy to discourage future actions against drug barons? I'd have thought all loyalty to the dead guy would cease the moment he was dead and they'd just focus on becoming the new big wig. Smashing up American tourist resorts doesn't seem to square with that.

This has happened previously in Culican if I remember rightly where the boss's son was arrested by the police/military. The cartel then went on a bit of a rampage until the government released him.

[ChocolateFrog]

CT05 Nose Cone said:

Demonstrating their power and intimidating the government against future operations. Those cartels have some serious firepower so aren't scared of taking on the police or military.

Reminds me of that scene in The Rock.


Agent Ernest Paxton (played by William Forsythe) says this to Stanley Goodspeed (Nicolas Cage) over the phone when Goodspeed reports that Mason (Sean Connery) has a gun.

Quote: "What do you have, a fkin' water pistol?"

[Mr Penguin]

I know a few people who have been to Mexico, mostly without problems, and obviously many others have. I am still always surprised that it is so popular given how extreme the violence can be there.

[Countdown]

BikeBikeBIke said:

CT05 Nose Cone said:

Demonstrating their power and intimidating the government against future operations. Those cartels have some serious firepower so aren't scared of taking on the police or military.

I guess so. That's really quite an astonishing level of organization and commitment to the long term future of their industry. If only British Leyland had the same long term strategy for their own success.

If Red Robbo and his mates had started a min-war in Birmingham would anybody have noticed?

[JoshSm]

By CJNG standards this seems pretty tame so far!

[fiatpower]

ChocolateFrog said:

CT05 Nose Cone said:

Demonstrating their power and intimidating the government against future operations. Those cartels have some serious firepower so aren't scared of taking on the police or military.

Reminds me of that scene in The Rock.


Agent Ernest Paxton (played by William Forsythe) says this to Stanley Goodspeed (Nicolas Cage) over the phone when Goodspeed reports that Mason (Sean Connery) has a gun.

Quote: "What do you have, a fkin' water pistol?"

There wouldn’t have been any retribution against the family on The Rock though. That would certainly make me think twice in their shoes.

[milkround]

Mr Penguin said:

I know a few people who have been to Mexico, mostly without problems, and obviously many others have. I am still always surprised that it is so popular given how extreme the violence can be there.

I’ve spent a fair amount of time in Mexico. I love the place.

For the most part there has been an unwritten rule. Leave the tourists alone. Places like cancun were most of the time off limits. When things flared up occasionally this would be forgotten. The reasons for that are twofold. 1. Cartels launder their money through these places. 2. The government won’t tolerate it. The Americans won’t tolerate it and things go mad if a tourist gets hurt. If cartels members saw a tourist being robbed or attacked they would for the most part rush in and defend you. They have no interest in creating problems for themselves.

There was a story about two Americans being killed. The cartel not only handed over the members who did it. They also had a big pr campaign saying it wasn’t in there name.

Trump was right about Mexico. Large parts of it are lawless. They send nuclear quantities of drugs to America and America send wartime proportions of firearms to Mexico. The result is a war zone in parts of Mexico. Just not the parts normal people who are not Mexicans will go to.

The truth is all the cartels only operate because the government lets them. We are seeing Trump turning the screws and things happen now. Recently they not only got this guy who was an awful human but also the real head of the Sinaloa cartel. They even got Ryan wedding the candian ex Olympian drug kingpin and murderer. They have been after these guys for years and in some cases decades. And they are now all going down at the same time.

I’m not sure if much will change. I hope it will. If anyone is interested read up on the mass disappearances in Mexico. These were poor people who were butchered for being in the wrong place or daring to not follow the cartel lines. 10s of thousands have died. The politicians in Mexico are as corrupt as they come and have taken bribes in tge 10s or hundreds of millions to let this go on.

Mexico has one big problem. If you are a good police officer or politician you will be killed. There are cases of their families being killed in the most grotesque ways. So it’s been nearly impossible to bring about change. If America exerts its influence and forces Mexico to change it will be good. But realistically only when idiots stop consuming and killing themselces with drugs will it really end. I wish they spent 10% of the dea budget or rehab facilities as that would make a far greater impact.

[BikeBikeBIke]

milkround said:

But realistically only when idiots stop consuming and killing themselces with drugs will it really end.

This.

The problem is yanks buying drugs, not Mexico supplying them. Stopping the demand is the only thing that will work.

[g4ry13]

BikeBikeBIke said:

milkround said:

But realistically only when idiots stop consuming and killing themselces with drugs will it really end.

This.

The problem is yanks buying drugs, not Mexico supplying them. Stopping the demand is the only thing that will work .

Very much this. Supply side policies are futile other than making the cartels wealthier.

Narconomics is a great read if anyone wants to read about the economic side of things.

El Mencho must have screwed some very powerful people over, or they were made a much better offer. The Government always knows where the top guys are and lets them exist until they need to be removed for their own political needs.

[P-Jay]

I could debate the reasons behind Drug use and addiction all day, but yes the problem will always be demand and not supply. America, not only wants Cocaine, it's in the midst of a opiate crisis brought about by it's drug companies.

Mexico is a poor country next to one of the wealthiest with an endless appetite for greed. Mexico has a huge population of teenagers and young adults who have the choice between a lifetime of st kicking poverty, or a (likely short) life of money via incredible violence.

I believe the only solution to drugs, is decriminalisation and treatment, whether even that would work which such massive gaps between the haves and have nots, I don't know.