Knife crime soars by nearly 60% in London
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-k...
Honestly, this is the thing that really worries me for my kids and family. I have friends with teenage sons and they are always worried what might happen when their kids go out and get caught up in this violence. It's not just about teenagers though, knife crime/theft in London seems to be way out of control, and i've lived here all my life. I don't think it's ever been this bad from what I can see.
I do wonder if the police/mayor have just lost control of the situation. Like even if you had the army patrolling the streets, that probably wouldn't control it as they can't be everywhere.
Honestly, this is the thing that really worries me for my kids and family. I have friends with teenage sons and they are always worried what might happen when their kids go out and get caught up in this violence. It's not just about teenagers though, knife crime/theft in London seems to be way out of control, and i've lived here all my life. I don't think it's ever been this bad from what I can see.
I do wonder if the police/mayor have just lost control of the situation. Like even if you had the army patrolling the streets, that probably wouldn't control it as they can't be everywhere.
article said:
Former Metropolitan Police Detective Chief Inspector David Spencer said: London is in the grip of a knife crime, robbery and theft epidemic.
They don’t have to be everywhere, but they do have to be somewhere.
Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren’t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren’t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
“The Mayor ... has secured 935 police officers and he has worked closely with the Commissioner to increase the number of police officers on the beat in the West End, plus additional police officers working in new or enhanced town centre teams in hotspot areas.
It's an area where approx half a million people visit each day and it attracts criminals, always has and always will (Oxford St and surrounding area) and yet this story is about knife across London of approx 15k per annum. Across London, it's about 50 events per day across a city of 9million people.
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years.
It's an area where approx half a million people visit each day and it attracts criminals, always has and always will (Oxford St and surrounding area) and yet this story is about knife across London of approx 15k per annum. Across London, it's about 50 events per day across a city of 9million people.
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years.
sugerbear said:
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years
Do you live in London and/or have kids that can go out on their own? If so, lets debate it. Otherwise you are talking out of your arse about having to "get a grip"swisstoni said:
They don t have to be everywhere, but they do have to be somewhere.
Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
Agree with that. Having visible patrols like the "bobby on beat" would do a lot to reassure people and hopefully deter this crime.Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
No surprise knife crime has increased when the mayor wanted the police to do fewer stop searches.
"The third major problem is to be found just down the river from New Scotland Yard – at City Hall. Sir Sadiq Khan has been Mayor of London for nine years – he is the effective Police and Crime Commissioner for London but the steps he has taken have hamstrung the police in their fight against crime. Prior to his election, Sir Sadiq reportedly said: ‘If I’m mayor I’ll do all in my power to further cut [stop and search’s] use.’ The Mayor got his way. Between March 2021 and March 2024, the number of searches fell by 56.4 per cent – that’s 175,613 fewer searches. Yet knife crime has increased dramatically "
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-met-must-f...
"The third major problem is to be found just down the river from New Scotland Yard – at City Hall. Sir Sadiq Khan has been Mayor of London for nine years – he is the effective Police and Crime Commissioner for London but the steps he has taken have hamstrung the police in their fight against crime. Prior to his election, Sir Sadiq reportedly said: ‘If I’m mayor I’ll do all in my power to further cut [stop and search’s] use.’ The Mayor got his way. Between March 2021 and March 2024, the number of searches fell by 56.4 per cent – that’s 175,613 fewer searches. Yet knife crime has increased dramatically "
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-met-must-f...
s1962a said:
sugerbear said:
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years
Do you live in London and/or have kids that can go out on their own? If so, lets debate it. Otherwise you are talking out of your arse about having to "get a grip"What about someone who lives outside London but commutes in?
Or a tourist about to visit?
What are the debating rules? Or is it just that people can’t disagree with you?
s1962a said:
sugerbear said:
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years
Do you live in London and/or have kids that can go out on their own? If so, lets debate it. Otherwise you are talking out of your arse about having to "get a grip"Of course knife crime has increased, because nothing is done to tackle the actual problem.
All the authorities do is focus on using the ban hammer and spinning it as a panacea. Dare I say it, the issue isn't 'knife' crime, the issue is social violence. They will use whatever implement that is accessible.
Next up...banning anything pointy and we'll see if that works!
All the authorities do is focus on using the ban hammer and spinning it as a panacea. Dare I say it, the issue isn't 'knife' crime, the issue is social violence. They will use whatever implement that is accessible.
Next up...banning anything pointy and we'll see if that works!
swisstoni said:
They don t have to be everywhere, but they do have to be somewhere.
Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
They don't have the staff to drive or walk around looking for criminals to catch them 'in the act'. Speaking to my friends 'in the job', it is routine for 24/7 cops to come in on any shift to find a queue of 'unserviced' jobs waiting to have some deal with them. These are the officers that get the non-specialised 999 calls (so everything bar a firearms threat, major RTC or road traffic specific job or marine incident). Neighbourhood policing teams have 'queues' of their own to deal with and they're nothing to do with dealing with the immediate demand for ongoing incidents. Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
It sounds like a dreadful state of affairs but we get the piss-poor policing we pay for.
Don Roque said:
swisstoni said:
They don t have to be everywhere, but they do have to be somewhere.
Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
They don't have the staff to drive or walk around looking for criminals to catch them 'in the act'. Speaking to my friends 'in the job', it is routine for 24/7 cops to come in on any shift to find a queue of 'unserviced' jobs waiting to have some deal with them. These are the officers that get the non-specialised 999 calls (so everything bar a firearms threat, major RTC or road traffic specific job or marine incident). Neighbourhood policing teams have 'queues' of their own to deal with and they're nothing to do with dealing with the immediate demand for ongoing incidents. Police are now only usually seen when they are going somewhere else. Not on routine patrols which I presume have been knocked on the head as a waste of time.
But they aren t a waste of time. Just the presence of police has a psychological affect. It says that this place is not lawless and you cannot get away with anything you want.
It sounds like a dreadful state of affairs but we get the piss-poor policing we pay for.
sugerbear said:
The Mayor ... has secured 935 police officers and he has worked closely with the Commissioner to increase the number of police officers on the beat in the West End, plus additional police officers working in new or enhanced town centre teams in hotspot areas.
It's an area where approx half a million people visit each day and it attracts criminals, always has and always will (Oxford St and surrounding area) and yet this story is about knife across London of approx 15k per annum. Across London, it's about 50 events per day across a city of 9million people.
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years.
You haven't a clue It's an area where approx half a million people visit each day and it attracts criminals, always has and always will (Oxford St and surrounding area) and yet this story is about knife across London of approx 15k per annum. Across London, it's about 50 events per day across a city of 9million people.
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years.
Slow.Patrol said:
ATG said:
"Get a grip" is a bit harsh, but unless your kids are involved with gangs, the risk is tiny.
Unless you have a nice wrist watch or have a smart phone in your hand. Or a nice push bike.
Or anything else of value really.
ATG said:
"Get a grip" is a bit harsh, but unless your kids are involved with gangs, the risk is tiny.
That’s not actually true, I know a year 9 (aged 13-14) girl who a wayward boy threatened to ‘stab you up’. The level of uncertainty for parents in that situation is very high - these days he could well do it as there are in fact so many stabbings.As with all things, no punishment and this is what you get.
s1962a said:
sugerbear said:
I think some people need to get a grip. If you aren't involved in the drugs trade and/or make yourself an obvious target (expensive stuff tends to attract attention) then in all likelyhood you will never have to worry. By contract there were approx 25k per year sexual assaults last year in the previous years
Do you live in London and/or have kids that can go out on their own? If so, lets debate it. Otherwise you are talking out of your arse about having to "get a grip"Are you dressing your kids in designer cloths and expense watches? Are you giving them the £1000 phones and a wad of cash?
50 incidents per day in a pool of 9 million people.
sugerbear said:
I was born in London. Lives and worked there for 40 years in one of the more crappier areas. I was mugged once when I was a teenager (no knife). I regularly go back there and have never had any issues. I have wandered the streets of Whitechapel / Aldgate and the west end into the early hours without a hint of an issue. Docklands / West London and so on.
Are you dressing your kids in designer cloths and expense watches? Are you giving them the £1000 phones and a wad of cash?
50 incidents per day in a pool of 9 million people.
I agree.Are you dressing your kids in designer cloths and expense watches? Are you giving them the £1000 phones and a wad of cash?
50 incidents per day in a pool of 9 million people.
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