Notting Hill Carnival - had it's day?
Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8zxk083qko.a...
Has it become too big and too violent?
Too much cost to the public purse.
I admit I have never been as I am not a fan of crowds, so I wouldn't worry if it never happened again.
Has it become too big and too violent?
Too much cost to the public purse.
I admit I have never been as I am not a fan of crowds, so I wouldn't worry if it never happened again.
There s been eleventy billion threads on the NHC on these pages over the years. This is the most recent (in NP&E) that I can recall.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It really is the thing, Carnival. It s very difficult to think that if you were proposing the idea in modern times it would end up looking pretty much anything like the event it is. But it s an unstoppable force.
(Obviously there’s an element of begging bowl wrt to this recent article. I’m not convinced the organisers are looking for an existential review).
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It really is the thing, Carnival. It s very difficult to think that if you were proposing the idea in modern times it would end up looking pretty much anything like the event it is. But it s an unstoppable force.
(Obviously there’s an element of begging bowl wrt to this recent article. I’m not convinced the organisers are looking for an existential review).
scenario8 said:
There s been eleventy billion threads on the NHC on these pages over the years. This is the most recent (in NP&E) that I can recall.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Rude?https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I did try a search and the only threads I got were 10 years old.
Mods- please delete this thread and I will add to the one linked above
Slow.Patrol said:
scenario8 said:
There s been eleventy billion threads on the NHC on these pages over the years. This is the most recent (in NP&E) that I can recall.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Rude?https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I did try a search and the only threads I got were 10 years old.
Mods- please delete this thread and I will add to the one linked above
I don’t doubt this thread will gain traction as the day goes on just like all the others.
Fwiw I’m glad I’m not the politician who is asked existential questions about the Carnival. Me, I’d make fundamental changes but then I have no economic or employment security so have nothing to lose. I recognise any significant change would please nobody and most likely offend everybody. Any politician getting involved very much has an awful lot to lose and so would rather run away.
What do we do with a problem called Carnival?
I've worked in events for almost 10 years, and have friends who live on the carnival route (I've probably been a dozen times) and in all honesty they've been given a bit of a free ride with it for a long time. Unfortunately the facts are, levels of crime are high, the security and organization is sub par and it's needed a change for a while.
It hasn't happened because the funding for it doesn't cover everything and ultimately doing things properly would probably crush it without another revenue stream. It's been seen as giving it a hard line and thus the allegations of trying to repress a diverse event bubble to the surface.
There are plenty other events all in the capital not to mention other cities where businesses and homeowners don't feel the need to board up their property and move out for days on end to avoid it.
One of the easiest ways to perform crowd control and generate cash for it would be to ticket it, like they do with almost any other large gathering, start to spread it over a larger area like they do with Pride to spread the crowds or just move it from Notting Hill entirely to somewhere with more space.
Maybe put it up the road in Hyde Park AND ticket it?
It hasn't happened because the funding for it doesn't cover everything and ultimately doing things properly would probably crush it without another revenue stream. It's been seen as giving it a hard line and thus the allegations of trying to repress a diverse event bubble to the surface.
There are plenty other events all in the capital not to mention other cities where businesses and homeowners don't feel the need to board up their property and move out for days on end to avoid it.
One of the easiest ways to perform crowd control and generate cash for it would be to ticket it, like they do with almost any other large gathering, start to spread it over a larger area like they do with Pride to spread the crowds or just move it from Notting Hill entirely to somewhere with more space.
Maybe put it up the road in Hyde Park AND ticket it?
oyster said:
bad company said:
I don t see why so much taxpayers money should be spent on it.
Many taxpayers attend?I’ve got no problem with tax £s being spent on policing massive events. I only attend 3 or 4 football matches a season, but Im glad there are plenty of police to keep the troublemakers among the fans from getting out of hand every week.
On the other hand there must come a point where attendance at NHC is just too big to be a) safe or b) enjoyable?
scenario8 said:
But it s an unstoppable force.
I've got about 15 NHCs under my belt and I did post on the previous threads.It's never been police-able, even 20 years ago, but I think the police are increasingly concerned about an event which occurs during the NHC that then causes large loss of life due to the sheer number of people making it a prime target for violence.
Because it's mainly a street carnival, the level of protection from a determined nutter in a car is higher than 20 years ago.
I think the costs needed to protect against that type of threat and not a crip wannabe with a knife, is what keeps the BIB awake at night.
oyster said:
bad company said:
oyster said:
bad company said:
I don t see why so much taxpayers money should be spent on it.
Many taxpayers attend?Such is life.
tim0409 said:
oyster said:
bad company said:
oyster said:
bad company said:
I don t see why so much taxpayers money should be spent on it.
Many taxpayers attend?Such is life.
(And no, they don't bring in tourist revenue to pay for it.)
It cannot continue to exist in current form, plus it cannot be allowed to exist in its current form. Which might sound like saying the same thing twice but in reality different points.
When you have the local council temporarily relocating elderly residents to the coast in order to give them some respite from, let's be honest, the debauchery, noise, nuisance, public aggression it deserves to die. Sorry but there it is, does not deserve public money in support, costs enough just in trying to keep things on a not very level keel.
If it must go ahead in a modified firm, move it to an open space, Hyde Park maybe. Ticketed and with really robust security that the event pays for. One step out of line and you're out. No messing.
When you have the local council temporarily relocating elderly residents to the coast in order to give them some respite from, let's be honest, the debauchery, noise, nuisance, public aggression it deserves to die. Sorry but there it is, does not deserve public money in support, costs enough just in trying to keep things on a not very level keel.
If it must go ahead in a modified firm, move it to an open space, Hyde Park maybe. Ticketed and with really robust security that the event pays for. One step out of line and you're out. No messing.
oyster said:
bad company said:
oyster said:
bad company said:
I don t see why so much taxpayers money should be spent on it.
Many taxpayers attend?Such is life.
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