why was this man slaughter not Murder

[Purosangue]

How in the hell was this not Murder , killing a 9 month old baby and only getting 14 years imprisonment


https://www.cps.gov.uk/north-west/news/nursery-wor...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14787779/...

effectively strapping a 9 moth old baby face down until she suffocated , christ almighty , its a baby ,


this scum should have had a whole life tariff , and will probably get a new identity on release costing £250k a year !

deserves to be "water boarded "

absolutely disgusting excuse of a human

[Spare tyre]

Horrific, lots of people are desperate for a kid and can’t have one

[paulw123]

The with current state of the prison system they will probably be out in less than 7 years.
We need to build more prisons fast and also seriously look at our joke of a sentencing system.

My guess is that everyone knows it was murder but a manslaughter charge was easier to get a conviction, so they opted for that?

[ScotHill]

Purosangue said:

How in the hell was this not Murder

Probably because she hadn't intended to kill the baby, it was just horrific practices in a nursery environment. Murder needs intent, and it likely wasn't there. That's why the manslaughter charge exists.

[MrBogSmith]

It's not murder because there was no intent to kill / cause GBH.

Manslaughter by an unlawful act (child cruelty) was the right charge.

[Derek Smith]

ScotHill said:

Probably because she hadn't intended to kill the baby, it was just horrific practices in a nursery environment. Murder needs intent, and it likely wasn't there. That's why the manslaughter charge exists.

I think it is what the CPS felt they could prove. Happens all the time.

[Mr Penguin]

Is this back in the news? She was sentenced over a year ago.

[MrBogSmith]

Mr Penguin said:

Is this back in the news? She was sentenced over a year ago.

The DM have seen a further opportunity to get some clicks out of the story.

[ziggy328]

Same with the Leicester case today.

[Spare tyre]

paulw123 said:

The with current state of the prison system they will probably be out in less than 7 years.
We need to build more prisons fast and also seriously look at our joke of a sentencing system.

My guess is that everyone knows it was murder but a manslaughter charge was easier to get a conviction, so they opted for that?

Old containers inside big walls

Could even stack them up on old boats

I’m sick of people being let off for stuff that should see a punishment

Problem is now it’s a race to the bottom as lots of people are not scared of a punishment

[Earthdweller]

Derek Smith said:

I think it is what the CPS felt they could prove. Happens all the time.

Reading the CPS statement above it would appear to be the correct charge

It's clear neglect and never in a month of Sundays murder

[Earthdweller]

Spare tyre said:

paulw123 said:

The with current state of the prison system they will probably be out in less than 7 years.
We need to build more prisons fast and also seriously look at our joke of a sentencing system.

My guess is that everyone knows it was murder but a manslaughter charge was easier to get a conviction, so they opted for that?

Old containers inside big walls

Could even stack them up on old boats

I m sick of people being let off for stuff that should see a punishment

Problem is now it s a race to the bottom as lots of people are not scared of a punishment

You do know that manslaughter carries the same maximum penalty as murder

She didn't commit murder .. if they'd charged her with murder she'd have been found not guilty and walked free

Imagining for a moment that she had committed murder she'd likely have received the same sentence anyway

[vaud]

MrBogSmith said:

It's not murder because there was no intent to kill / cause GBH.

Manslaughter by an unlawful act (child cruelty) was the right charge.

^^^ This. No intent.

[MrBogSmith]

Earthdweller said:

You do know that manslaughter carries the same maximum penalty as murder

She didn't commit murder .. if they'd charged her with murder she'd have been found not guilty and walked free

Imagining for a moment that she had committed murder she'd likely have received the same sentence anyway

A jury can find someone guilty of manslaughter if the accused was charged with murder. R v Coutts.

I expect she'd have received a stronger sentence if convicted of murder. I think 15 is the starting point and then there'd be the aggravating factors. I could be wrong on that though.

[Mr Penguin]

If it was murder she would have had a mandatory life sentence with a hefty minimum term (probably somewhere around 30) given she was in a duty of care and a baby is obviously very vulnerable.

A 14 year term for manslaughter means she will probably be out on licence in 7.

[dandarez]

MrBogSmith said:

Mr Penguin said:

Is this back in the news? She was sentenced over a year ago.

The DM have seen a further opportunity to get some clicks out of the story.

Perhaps read a bit more?
It's back in the news across the board, not just the DM.
Why?
Both parents have been recounting the horror in a joint interview, just 'over a year' since Roughley was found guilty.
The couple have launched a campaign for better safety standards in early years settings.