Teenager sentenced to seven years for killing 80yr old man.

[paulguitar]

I can't find the thread for this, it was definitely discussed here earlier:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg7j649dl2t


A particularly sickening and depressing case.



7 years seems a little light...

[bstb3]

Well he had the mitigating circumstances of not having been in trouble before, because somehow doing what you are supposed to do anyway now counts as mitigation for killing someone.

The girl didn't even get custody, just a 6 month curfew and rehabilitation order. Plays a key part in an old man getting battered to death, but keeps her freedom. Utter madness & I'm sure (and hope) the locals of Leicester will make their feelings very plain and clear about this..

I know there are always factors around upbringing and such, but jesus wept they killed someone in a sustained (and filmed!!!!) attack, not just a freak accident. How can we expect society to respect the courts, law and order when this is what happens even when things get prosecuted.

[BikeBikeBIke]

This is insane. One let off scott free, beciase of the impact it will have on *her* life. The other a slap on tbe wrist.

"was racially abused during the attack, although the judge said the attack was not due to race" --- WTAF???? Ther have been cases where muggings have been deemed racially motivated purely because they took place in certain areas, meanwhile killers being explicity racist *while* they're killing someone isn't racist?

Utter, utter madness.

[Crumpet]

Utterly pathetic. It’s no wonder many people think this country is now too far gone.

I’m actually staggered there isn’t more vigilante action given how pathetic custodial sentences are these days.

[Getragdogleg]

Crumpet said:

Utterly pathetic. It s no wonder many people think this country is now too far gone.

I m actually staggered there isn't more vigilante action given how pathetic custodial sentences are these days.

There is a lot of vigilante justice its just its kept quiet so the general public don't see it or know about it.

This country is all shop window and nothing in the store itself.

The Governments of the last 20+ years have all been complicit in making sure services have been cut.

Its all a stshow. They know it, some of us know it and the tax raids continue to fund this utter mismanagement.

[Mastodon2]

Disgraceful. Both of them should be on the march to the gallows as we speak.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

The girl gets a 6 month curfew. The boy killer will no doubt be out before his 7 years are up.

Insane.

[Mr Penguin]

bstb3 said:

The girl didn't even get custody, just a 6 month curfew and rehabilitation order. Plays a key part in an old man getting battered to death, but keeps her freedom. Utter madness & I'm sure (and hope) the locals of Leicester will make their feelings very plain and clear about this..

From what the judge said, they have and this was part of the mitigating circumstances.

The goal with children committing offences should really be to look at what sort of a person they can become and help them do that rather than punish for the sake of punishment.

[Magikarp]

It's been said before but the sentencing guidelines in this country are absolutely preposterous. There are so many idiciocies in the sentencing and in the judge's remarks I honestly don't know where to begin, and I feel genuinely sad for the victim's family. To me this says to the victims "there's nothing we can do" and to the perpetrators "there's nothing we can do", the emphasis of which is cause for pain or for celebration.

I appreciate upbringing and hard lives, difficult circumstances etc. Personally bragging about what you have done outweighs any mitigating circumstances there may be.

[SS427 Camaro]

String them up ffs !!!
Sentencing is an utter Joke !!

[BikeBikeBIke]

Mr Penguin said:

From what the judge said, they have and this was part of the mitigating circumstances.

The goal with children committing offences should really be to look at what sort of a person they can become and help them do that rather than punish for the sake of punishment.

I agree, which is why this pair need to be locked up for a very, very long time. The person they are gong to be is *exactly* what we need to be defending society from.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Thursday 5th June 17:47

[CountyLines]

Ripe for a resentencing appeal.

[bstb3]

Mr Penguin said:

From what the judge said, they have and this was part of the mitigating circumstances.

The goal with children committing offences should really be to look at what sort of a person they can become and help them do that rather than punish for the sake of punishment.

And what about preventing others from becoming the people we don't want them to be by sending a very clear message? At what point did we become more concerned about the perpertrators than the victims and potential future victims of people who might otherwise have been discouraged?

If these kids have it in them to reform (and I hope they do, honestly) then it has to be done from behind bars. You frame it as punishment for them, I see it as sending a message to others. Gang culture is out of control amongst the youth, it needs to be reigned in. If we keep making excuses "but children" then we make it exponentially harder. They knew it was wrong, they still did it, filmed it, still deny responsibility.

[CountyLines]

Mr Penguin said:

From what the judge said, they have and this was part of the mitigating circumstances.

The goal with children committing offences should really be to look at what sort of a person they can become and help them do that rather than punish for the sake of punishment.

He beat a man to death and then bragged about it FFS.

[bitchstewie]

CountyLines said:

He beat a man to death and then bragged about it FFS.

Exactly.

This isn't "I pushed him and he fell I didn't mean to do it" territory.

This is "how many opportunities did you both have to stop but you continued to do it and you continued to film it".

[Spare tyre]

Stop questioning it tax payers, get back to work!

[BoRED S2upid]

The judge continues telling D2 that a custodial sentence will have an impact on her education.
A short custodial sentence would do more harm than good, he says.


Erm… that’s the point isn’t it? So if you are a child the defence is now that it will impact your education.

[BikeBikeBIke]

bstb3 said:

And what about preventing others from becoming the people we don't want them to be by sending a very clear message? At what point did we become more concerned about the perpertrators than the victims and potential future victims of people who might otherwise have been discouraged?

If these kids have it in them to reform (and I hope they do, honestly) then it has to be done from behind bars. You frame it as punishment for them, I see it as sending a message to others. Gang culture is out of control amongst the youth, it needs to be reigned in. If we keep making excuses "but children" then we make it exponentially harder. They knew it was wrong, they still did it, filmed it, still deny responsibility.

...and "children" is a bit of a stretch as term for a 13yo and a 15yo. At 13 she could be a prefect or a Guide Patrol Leader or a Sailing Instructor. She will have been well aware that goading a lad into beating a frail old man to death and videoing it was completely beyond any kind of normal behaviour. Especially with the racial element which really is hammered home to today's kids, even if Teachers might forget to explicity tell teenagers that beating elderly men to death is wrong.

[Rufus Stone]

I can't believe that some here want to kill children for this.

[Bluevanman]

Rufus Stone said:

I can't believe that some here want to kill children for this.

One person,not some,one person said string em up.
That's something a lot of people might say having seen this news item, but you know, don't actually want them hanged.
I can't believe one person....you..... homed in on that rather than the killing itself.
I have no sympathy for the little scotes who did it,first and foremost I want them punished properly and these sentences are a joke.

Edited by Bluevanman on Thursday 5th June 17:56