2 dead as Mexican Tall Ship crashes into Brooklyn Bridge

[FourWheelDrift]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c991n8p4pdyo

[MiniMan64]

It doesn’t seem that awful until you see the before clip and realise there are lines of crew stood across the top of every sail when it hits.

Horrible stuff and unfortunately with that Mexican flag flying I can see some pretty unsavoury responses in America.

[matchmaker]

MiniMan64 said:

It doesn’t seem that awful until you see the before clip and realise there are lines of crew stood across the top of every sail when it hits.

Horrible stuff and unfortunately with that Mexican flag flying I can see some pretty unsavoury responses in America.

I can just imagine the injured Mexican sailors being dragged out of their hospital beds and deported to some hellhole prison in El Salvador.

[IanH755]

From whats being reported so far, it looks like the ship had lost propulsion and that tidal flow had dragged the ship under the bridge, which is was never supposed to happen, so this was never a navigation/routing error, it was an accident caused by equipment failure.

I don't know how quickly this event happened, from failure to strike, and whether in hindsight that would have been enough time to get the sailors down from very the tops of the mast, but as always the lesson learned from accidents like this would hopefully prevent anything similar happening again.

matchmaker said:

I can just imagine the injured Mexican sailors being dragged out of their hospital beds and deported to some hellhole prison in El Salvador.

Which makes you a sick and twisted individual. To be perfectly honest, and I think its the first time I've said this since I've been on PH, a comment that disgusting requires that you get a short ban to re-evaluate what you post - I mean posting that your fantasy is that the injured get dragged out of hospital beds just because that mental picture gives you some kind of a political point scoring thrill makes YOU the bad guy here, so I've reported your post.

[LivLL]

Have you seen what’s happening in the USA?

He’s just commenting on that rather than some fantasy of his as you suggest.

As for the incident, what you describe is what’s in the news reports. Power loss, drifting into bridge.

[Crumpet]

IanH755 said:

matchmaker said:

I can just imagine the injured Mexican sailors being dragged out of their hospital beds and deported to some hellhole prison in El Salvador.

Which makes you a sick and twisted individual. To be perfectly honest, and I think its the first time I've said this since I've been on PH, a comment that disgusting requires that you get a short ban to re-evaluate what you post - I mean posting that your fantasy is that the injured get dragged out of hospital beds just because that mental picture gives you some kind of a political point scoring thrill makes YOU the bad guy here, so I've reported your post.

Have you not been watching the news? Maybe English isn’t your first language but at no point in his post did he say that’s what he wanted to see happen. It’s a reflection on the state of the USA at the moment and the way they’re sending foreign nationals to ‘hellhole’ prisons for seemingly unjust reasons - like being an innocent Mexican sailor involved in an unfortunate accident.

[Stick Legs]

If I had serious money to invest I'd be ordering Tug boats.

I can see the US requiring escort towage in proximity of bridges in the very near future.

[Oilchange]

Crumpet said:

IanH755 said:

matchmaker said:

I can just imagine the injured Mexican sailors being dragged out of their hospital beds and deported to some hellhole prison in El Salvador.

Which makes you a sick and twisted individual. To be perfectly honest, and I think its the first time I've said this since I've been on PH, a comment that disgusting requires that you get a short ban to re-evaluate what you post - I mean posting that your fantasy is that the injured get dragged out of hospital beds just because that mental picture gives you some kind of a political point scoring thrill makes YOU the bad guy here, so I've reported your post.

Have you not been watching the news? Maybe English isn’t your first language but at no point in his post did he say that’s what he wanted to see happen. It’s a reflection on the state of the USA at the moment and the way they’re sending foreign nationals to ‘hellhole’ prisons for seemingly unjust reasons - like being an innocent Mexican sailor involved in an unfortunate accident.

What a load of bks.

[Stick Legs]

Oilchange said:

Crumpet said:

IanH755 said:

matchmaker said:

I can just imagine the injured Mexican sailors being dragged out of their hospital beds and deported to some hellhole prison in El Salvador.

Which makes you a sick and twisted individual. To be perfectly honest, and I think its the first time I've said this since I've been on PH, a comment that disgusting requires that you get a short ban to re-evaluate what you post - I mean posting that your fantasy is that the injured get dragged out of hospital beds just because that mental picture gives you some kind of a political point scoring thrill makes YOU the bad guy here, so I've reported your post.

Have you not been watching the news? Maybe English isn’t your first language but at no point in his post did he say that’s what he wanted to see happen. It’s a reflection on the state of the USA at the moment and the way they’re sending foreign nationals to ‘hellhole’ prisons for seemingly unjust reasons - like being an innocent Mexican sailor involved in an unfortunate accident.

What a load of bks.

Quite.

It's incredibly tedious how some topics manage to ruin every thread they touch. This is about a news story in which a sail training ship unfortunately suffered unintentional contact with a bridge. People have died.

This then immediately becomes a proxy for people's dislike of the President of the US, in much the same way as the recent fire at Bicester, which also involved fatalities, kicked off with some EV non-sense.

It's getting tiresome, it's the same forum members every time. I get it, you have opinions. Super. So do the rest of us but we usually try to find an appropriate thread to air them, rather than just derailing every thread into our own mental cul-de-sac.

You all come across as the boring ranty Uncle at a family dinner.

[Wheel Turned Out]

Glad to see Fox News keeping it classy and informed, as always.

[2xChevrons]

Wheel Turned Out said:

Glad to see Fox News keeping it classy and informed, as always.

I have already seen some dumb and tasteless online 'takes' about this, boiling down to "HurrHurr...the Mexican Navy still uses sailing ships! No wonder it hit the bridge! Imagine sending a ship with sails to impress the USA on a visit!?"

Depressingly not all from witless individuals but from some pundits and commentators with profile.

They'd better not find out about USS Constitution or USCGS Eagle!

[g4ry13]

Once they lost propulsion and were basically drifting, was dropping anchor not an option?

[Stick Legs]

2xChevrons said:

I have already seen some dumb and tasteless online 'takes' about this, boiling down to "HurrHurr...the Mexican Navy still uses sailing ships! No wonder it hit the bridge! Imagine sending a ship with sails to impress the USA on a visit!?"

Depressingly not all from witless individuals but from some pundits and commentators with profile.

They'd better not find out about USS Constitution or USCGS Eagle!

I've had the privilege of piloting the USCS Eagle in the Solent.

Ex-Kriegsmarine, Horst Wessel, taken as a war prize by the US. Wikipedia page is very interesting.

[captain_cynic]

Oilchange said:

Crumpet said:

IanH755 said:

matchmaker said:

I can just imagine the injured Mexican sailors being dragged out of their hospital beds and deported to some hellhole prison in El Salvador.

Which makes you a sick and twisted individual. To be perfectly honest, and I think its the first time I've said this since I've been on PH, a comment that disgusting requires that you get a short ban to re-evaluate what you post - I mean posting that your fantasy is that the injured get dragged out of hospital beds just because that mental picture gives you some kind of a political point scoring thrill makes YOU the bad guy here, so I've reported your post.

Have you not been watching the news? Maybe English isn’t your first language but at no point in his post did he say that’s what he wanted to see happen. It’s a reflection on the state of the USA at the moment and the way they’re sending foreign nationals to ‘hellhole’ prisons for seemingly unjust reasons - like being an innocent Mexican sailor involved in an unfortunate accident.

What a load of bks.

This aged well,

Wheel Turned Out said:

Glad to see Fox News keeping it classy and informed, as always.

People like that have seen what's going on in the US... they're just trying as hard as they can to pretend it's not happening.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

[LivLL]

g4ry13 said:

Once they lost propulsion and were basically drifting, was dropping anchor not an option?

Not sure they would have time to do that. They'd only just built up some speed leaving port.



https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=8107505

They would have intended to head South East so looks like the failure was almost immediate.

[captain_cynic]

2xChevrons said:

They'd better not find out about USS Constitution or USCGS Eagle!

I'd looked up the vessel in question as I thought it might be a museum ship as well... turns out the ARM Cuauhtemoc was built in 1982 to a design from the 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cuauht%C3%A9moc_...

[g4ry13]

LivLL said:

g4ry13 said:

Once they lost propulsion and were basically drifting, was dropping anchor not an option?

Not sure they would have time to do that. They'd only just built up some speed leaving port.



https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=8107505

I didn't know they had an equivalent to Flightradar for boats!

I wonder whether they were aware of the problem as they went under Manhattan Bridge.

[LivLL]

I'm hoping they'd be acutely aware the ship didn't fit under the bridge and that they should be going the other way. No idea why sailors would still be up the rigging at that point but perhaps it all happened so fast no one reacted and climbed down.

[swanny71]

g4ry13 said:

Once they lost propulsion and were basically drifting, was dropping anchor not an option?

Looks more like a controls failure to me (ie propulsion stuck going astern) - I’ve seen one video where you can see what looks like a wake coming off stern, if she was drifting with the tide you wouldn’t see that.

Dropping an anchor is an option assuming it was part of their departure preps - we always have an anchor ‘at the water’ and anchor party closed up when manoeuvring in places like that.

Horrible for all crew, especially those up the masts.

Edited by swanny71 on Sunday 18th May 13:42

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g4ry13 said:

LivLL said:

g4ry13 said:

Once they lost propulsion and were basically drifting, was dropping anchor not an option?

Not sure they would have time to do that. They'd only just built up some speed leaving port.



https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=8107505

I didn't know they had an equivalent to Flightradar for boats!

I wonder whether they were aware of the problem as they went under Manhattan Bridge.

It's very cool.

Check out South East England.