Man - 80 - racially taunted before fatal attack

Man - 80 - racially taunted before fatal attack

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s1962a

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6,376 posts

177 months

Tuesday 25th February
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdel9kxkw53o

What a horrific crime.

Those kids must have got their racist attitudes from somewhere.

BikeBikeBIke

11,678 posts

130 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Let's hope for eye-watering sentences.

captain_cynic

15,130 posts

110 months

Tuesday 25th February
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It's not proper to call them racist any more dontchano.

They aren't racists, they're just expressing a perfectly legitimate view on immigration and the loss of British culture.

In all seriousness, where are the parents... That is likely where their attitude comes from. It's events like this that makes me think the parents should get the same punishment as their kids.

s1962a

Original Poster:

6,376 posts

177 months

Tuesday 25th February
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Let's hope for eye-watering sentences.
They are kids, will probably get a few (single digit) years in a youth offending institute, and then a change of name so they can live their lives without the stigma of murder.

Superflow

1,602 posts

147 months

Tuesday 25th February
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They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.


Nurburgsingh

5,338 posts

253 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy allegedly hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
FTFY

You don't learn racism, it's an attitude that's encouraged by environment.

98elise

29,732 posts

176 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
Don't for get the knife he pulled on them. The knife there was no evidence of.

Sheets Tabuer

20,292 posts

230 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Little bds, we used to have respect for the elderly in this country.

Chris Peacock

3,085 posts

149 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
3/10 rage bait. You need to be more subtle.

wc98

11,878 posts

155 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
The bloke was 80 years old, there is NOTHING that justifies any part of what happened. I agree with others that the parents need taking to task in situations like this and many others. If your kid ends up doing something like this something has gone badly wrong in their upbringing. Given their ages i doubt they will ever be productive members of society , more likely to be a blight on other decent peoples lives when they get out.

paulguitar

30,103 posts

128 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
This post could only have come from an enthusiastic trump supporter.

turbobloke

111,861 posts

275 months

Tuesday 25th February
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paulguitar said:
Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
This post could only have come from an enthusiastic trump supporter.
The post you replied to looked more like satire than serious.

Clearly the two little darlings have rights, including the right to leave elderly dog walkers to go about their business unmolested in any way.


Superflow

1,602 posts

147 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Nurburgsingh said:
Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy allegedly hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
FTFY

You don't learn racism, it's an attitude that's encouraged by environment.
Yes agree allegedly we don’t know.

The truth will come out but we cannot assume it was all one sided they are innocent until proven otherwise.

Some here are jumping to conclusions.

paulguitar

30,103 posts

128 months

Tuesday 25th February
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turbobloke said:
paulguitar said:
Superflow said:
They are minors with rights.

Just kids who going by the article overreacted to the old guy hitting one of them with a stick.

It’s a sad story but like all it comes with two sides.
This post could only have come from an enthusiastic trump supporter.
The post you replied to looked more like satire than serious.
One might think so, but unfortunately not.


Digga

43,375 posts

298 months

Tuesday 25th February
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s1962a said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdel9kxkw53o

What a horrific crime.

Those kids must have got their racist attitudes from somewhere.
Disgusting.

I have friends in Leicester. Coincidentally with the same (common) surname as the prosecutor.

It is a disgusting cowardly attack, but I wonder what the origin and motivation is, since the article is no specific. First guess is offenders are white, but then there is racial tension in the city between religious groups - Sikh, Hindu, Muslim - so it's not safe to assume anything.

Earthdweller

16,022 posts

141 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Horrific crime, beyond words really, heartbreaking to read.

But to address some of the comments above, our legal system provides protection ( rightly so) for children, which is what they are, charged with offences. One being anonymity, which can be removed post conviction if the trial judge deems it appropriate

Secondly they will be sentenced, if convicted, as children and will receive a much more lenient sentence than if they were adults

I would be suprised if they are convicted of murder and would imagine they will be convicted of manslaughter


turbobloke

111,861 posts

275 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Earthdweller said:
Horrific crime, beyond words really, heartbreaking to read.

But to address some of the comments above, our legal system provides protection ( rightly so) for children, which is what they are, charged with offences. One being anonymity, which can be removed post conviction if the trial judge deems it appropriate

Secondly they will be sentenced, if convicted, as children and will receive a much more lenient sentence than if they were adults

I would be suprised if they are convicted of murder and would imagine they will be convicted of manslaughter
I may have skim-read the account too quickly, as my recollection is that the main perp took a balaclava with him, which points to premeditation (and with elderly people anyone so far above the age of criminal responsibility would appreciate the real risk of death) unless there were arctic weather conditions at the time of the killing.

Earthdweller

16,022 posts

141 months

Tuesday 25th February
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turbobloke said:
Earthdweller said:
Horrific crime, beyond words really, heartbreaking to read.

But to address some of the comments above, our legal system provides protection ( rightly so) for children, which is what they are, charged with offences. One being anonymity, which can be removed post conviction if the trial judge deems it appropriate

Secondly they will be sentenced, if convicted, as children and will receive a much more lenient sentence than if they were adults

I would be suprised if they are convicted of murder and would imagine they will be convicted of manslaughter
I may have skim-read the account too quickly, as my recollection is that the main perp took a balaclava with him, which points to premeditation (and with elderly people anyone so far above the age of criminal responsibility would appreciate the real risk of death) unless there were arctic weather conditions at the time of the killing.
The prosecution would have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he intended to kill or cause serious harm, just having an item of clothing with him is not alone sufficient, hence the dual charge.

Manslaughter only requires proof of the assault and not the intention. It effectively carries the same punishment yet is much easier to prove

s1962a

Original Poster:

6,376 posts

177 months

Tuesday 25th February
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article said:
In a letter written by the boy, after he had been charged, to a professional who was working with him, he said: "I am so nervous, well scared and worried. I accept I did it and I'm doing time, I'm just scared about how long I have to do."

He also said in the letter that his girlfriend had broken up with him and he had been "struggling with that", so he "needed anger etc releasing".

When the professional told the boy that the contents of his letter would need to be disclosed, the boy said "that's my manslaughter plea gone", Mr Sandhu told the jury.
scratchchin

Jasandjules

71,044 posts

244 months

Tuesday 25th February
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Just why? I mean, what kind of worthless PoS would do that to an 80 year old?