UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
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UK demands access to Apple users' encrypted data
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20g288yldko
Interesting demand, very far reaching implications.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20g288yldko
Interesting demand, very far reaching implications.
steveatesh said:
Absolutely agree… I can’t see Apple doing this as it would compromise their system worldwide I assume?
The law applies around the world. How the uk government will enforce it is anyone’s guess. But it’s scary legislation. It’s a secret demand to create back doors into secure systems…. And the tech companies can’t even ignore it while appealing. They need to give access when the request comes in. Those who are blasting Apple… the reason that this is of interest is because Apple are trying to fight back. Physical devices can be opened with ease now. But the cloud based encryption is more of a problem. Android and other ‘secure’ platforms have already folded.
-Cappo- said:
Did I hear right that Apple have said they'll pull all cloud services from the UK if the Govt get this through? In that scenario, what happens to a UK user's iCloud data? (Photos etc).
Well, the cloud is great...as long as the sun isn't shining!You'll be fine, because any truly precious photos you have will be stored in more than just one place...right?
-Cappo- said:
Did I hear right that Apple have said they'll pull all cloud services from the UK if the Govt get this through? In that scenario, what happens to a UK user's iCloud data? (Photos etc).
It's more than that, it's phone backups - settings, call records, installed apps, messages etc. All of that could be backed up to a local computer, but many people don't even have a computer these days, let alone being minded to back up regularly.Essentially it's a threat they would carry out if necessary (because as mentioned a backdoor goes completely against Apple's ethos), but they know they won't need to, the government will back down.
Timothy Bucktu said:
-Cappo- said:
Did I hear right that Apple have said they'll pull all cloud services from the UK if the Govt get this through? In that scenario, what happens to a UK user's iCloud data? (Photos etc).
Well, the cloud is great...as long as the sun isn't shining!You'll be fine, because any truly precious photos you have will be stored in more than just one place...right?
-Cappo- said:
Did I hear right that Apple have said they'll pull all cloud services from the UK if the Govt get this through? In that scenario, what happens to a UK user's iCloud data? (Photos etc).
Reports suggest that Apple would remove the end to end encryption option from the UK which is currently opt in, not default. They aren’t going to remove their cloud services.
t out of nowhere idea emerges from the corridors of power.It's a very difficult one isn't it?
What would you view be if (for example) the Police believed there was evidence on Rudukabana stored on iCloud and without it he might go free or with it he could be charged with terror offences?
I find myself genuinely conflicted by the obvious concerns about possible overreach but at the same time appreciating that if you store your stuff in a lock-up storage unit I don't think the storage company get to say "sorry officer, customer privacy, we can't let you in there".
What would you view be if (for example) the Police believed there was evidence on Rudukabana stored on iCloud and without it he might go free or with it he could be charged with terror offences?
I find myself genuinely conflicted by the obvious concerns about possible overreach but at the same time appreciating that if you store your stuff in a lock-up storage unit I don't think the storage company get to say "sorry officer, customer privacy, we can't let you in there".
I would have thought a more targeted approach might have been better.
If someone is arrested, then access to their data could be granted in the same way that a search warrant is granted. Wouldn't this be better than requesting access to all mobile phones which is bound to cause security issues with people's bank data and everything else being accessible.
If someone is arrested, then access to their data could be granted in the same way that a search warrant is granted. Wouldn't this be better than requesting access to all mobile phones which is bound to cause security issues with people's bank data and everything else being accessible.
NDA said:
I would have thought a more targeted approach might have been better.
If someone is arrested, then access to their data could be granted in the same way that a search warrant is granted. Wouldn't this be better than requesting access to all mobile phones which is bound to cause security issues with people's bank data and everything else being accessible.
If someone is arrested, then access to their data could be granted in the same way that a search warrant is granted. Wouldn't this be better than requesting access to all mobile phones which is bound to cause security issues with people's bank data and everything else being accessible.
The BBC Article said:
It's also important to note that the government notice does not mean the authorities are suddenly going to start combing through everybody's data.
It is believed that the government would want to access this data if there were a risk to national security - in other words, it would be targeting an individual, rather than using it for mass surveillance.
Authorities would still have to follow a legal process, have a good reason and request permission for a specific account in order to access data - just as they do now with unencrypted data.
The issue is with technologies such as ADP even if all of that happens there is quite literally no way Apple or any provider can grant access.It is believed that the government would want to access this data if there were a risk to national security - in other words, it would be targeting an individual, rather than using it for mass surveillance.
Authorities would still have to follow a legal process, have a good reason and request permission for a specific account in order to access data - just as they do now with unencrypted data.
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