UK pop now greater than France

[Iamnotkloot]

1st time ever apparently; driven almost entirely by migration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/28/uk-p...

Good news for GDP, bad news for hospital services, overcrowding etc?

[Earthdweller]

I'd love it to go back to the population at the start of my lifetime

You know that time when you could drive around without constant jams

Everything worked ... you could get dr's appointments .. heck they even came out to your house and casualty wasn't a war zone

Crime was low, potholes few and far between, verges were cut

Things were just ( rose tinted ) better

Now how it get rid of 15 million people that's the question ?

[Slow.Patrol]

Earthdweller said:

I'd love it to go back to the population at the start of my lifetime

You know that time when you could drive around without constant jams

Everything worked ... you could get dr's appointments .. heck they even came out to your house and casualty wasn't a war zone

Crime was low, potholes few and far between, verges were cut

Things were just ( rose tinted ) better

Now how it get rid of 15 million people that's the question ?

Plus our streets and verges were not full of litter.

I don't think things were rose tinted. I had a wonderfully simple childhood, now kids of today have labels and mental health issues.

I'm glad I am a boomer and will probably have shuffled off in 15 years.

I fear for the future of this country, and the world.

In the 1960s Desmond Morris wrote a book called "The Human Zoo". I thought it was fiction when I read it.

[richhead]

Thats crazy, when you look at the size difference of both countries.

[Slow.Patrol]

richhead said:

Thats crazy, when you look at the size difference of both countries.

England has one of the highest population densities in Europe

[Bluevanman]

You can't run a successful ponzi scheme without new members

[OutInTheShed]

Forecast is for another net 5 million or so in the next decade.
That's likely to be 10 million mostly poor people coming and 5 million legging it with what remains of their cash?

[numtumfutunch]

Earthdweller said:

I'd love it to go back to the population at the start of my lifetime

You know that time when you could drive around without constant jams

Everything worked ... you could get dr's appointments .. heck they even came out to your house and casualty wasn't a war zone

Crime was low, potholes few and far between, verges were cut

Things were just ( rose tinted ) better

Now how it get rid of 15 million people that's the question ?

Constant jams are probably a result of more cars on the road per house not dirty boat people

The lack of Dr appointments is due to the service being chronically defunded

Crime, potholes and cutting grass verges are down to councils being denied funds

If the country needs 15 million less peeps perhaps you could take one for the team and make a fresh start in Rwanda?

Cheers

[Otispunkmeyer]

Iamnotkloot said:

1st time ever apparently; driven almost entirely by migration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/28/uk-p...

Good news for GDP, bad news for hospital services, overcrowding etc?

Is it good for GDP?

I suppose it isn't really if we're just importing a load of uber-eats bike riders....

[Iamnotkloot]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Iamnotkloot said:

1st time ever apparently; driven almost entirely by migration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/28/uk-p...

Good news for GDP, bad news for hospital services, overcrowding etc?

Is it good for GDP?

I suppose it isn't really if we're just importing a load of uber-eats bike riders....

GDP is not a measure of productivity. Any extra bodies add to GDP, regardless of their work status.
E.g. a recent migrant on benefits will still add to GDP as they consume services

[jonsp]

Iamnotkloot said:

GDP is not a measure of productivity. Any extra bodies add to GDP, regardless of their work status.
E.g. a recent migrant on benefits will still add to GDP as they consume services

True. But why are we letting people come here if they can only claim benefits?

If you've got a job offer in the UK >£50k great, you're very welcome. If not the door's closed.

[lornemalvo]

I've made the point several times that both parties want mass immigration, as it gives a false impression of growth. The fact that people can arrive in a boat in the certain knowledge that they will never have to leave is an abject governmental failure. It is criminal negligence in my view. the number of visas legally issued is also scandalous. At some point things may reverse, but by then it will be too late. Our Britishness will be lost across large swathes of the country.

[Terminator X]

I'm fortunate that I don't often have to venture out in the rush hour. In the few times that I do each year it is utter chaos!

I'd love to know if the 1m nett immigration and the predicted 500k per year until 2032 is "planned" or complete chance. All I know is that with no investment in infrastructure it is going to be horrible at the very least for the poor bds that need any help / support.

Still, good for the tax take eh

TX.

[Klippie]

Earthdweller said:

Now how it get rid of 15 million people that's the question ?

Ukraine could be doing with soldiers, we have a ready made army arriving is boats every day.

[essayer]

Time to take back Normandy!

[Mr Whippy]

Covid 25 would do it… I’m not sure everyone would be up for lockdowns again and the finances in tatters so we’d just have to muddle through.

[Earthdweller]

numtumfutunch said:

Constant jams are probably a result of more cars on the road per house not dirty boat people

The lack of Dr appointments is due to the service being chronically defunded

Crime, potholes and cutting grass verges are down to councils being denied funds

If the country needs 15 million less peeps perhaps you could take one for the team and make a fresh start in Rwanda?

Cheers

I have stage 4 cancer so I will be "taking one for the team" imminently

But thanks for the wishes of a speedy departure from the UK

[pheonix478]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Iamnotkloot said:

1st time ever apparently; driven almost entirely by migration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/28/uk-p...

Good news for GDP, bad news for hospital services, overcrowding etc?

Is it good for GDP?

I suppose it isn't really if we're just importing a load of uber-eats bike riders....

Yes. GDP is a measure of economic activity. Even if they do nothing but work a minimum wage job and buy food that's an increase in GDP. Of course it increases GDP by absolutely fk all and drags GDP/capita down, increases government expenses, debt, taxes, puts additional strain on public services and makes you all on average poorer but this seems to be the "growth" successive governments think is needed.

[stevemcs]

Iamnotkloot said:

GDP is not a measure of productivity. Any extra bodies add to GDP, regardless of their work status.
E.g. a recent migrant on benefits will still add to GDP as they consume services

Is that room service or pay per view tv in the room.

[AlexC1981]

The most recent numbers I could find on google was net migration of 730k.

New homes in the same period: 160k...

The house builders don't have the cashflow to build at the rate required to keep up, and towns where there are jobs available are already overdeveloped.

If we think the kids of today have it tough, the following generation have already been totally screwed before they're out of nappies.