NHS dentistry... the end

[Rollin]

Wes Streeting tells MPs that NHS dentistry is at deaths door...and 2 days later (after a 10 month delay) gives NHS dentists a pay cut. :ROFL:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news...

https://www.bda.org/news-and-opinion/news/england-...

Listen to Pam or go private....

https://poetryarchive.org/poem/oh-i-wish-id-looked...

[Terminator X]

How will he attract 1000 new dentists after giving them a pay cut. This crowd are a fookin joke.

TX.

[Scrump]

Pay cut is a bit misleading. Article says they have been awarded a 4.64% uplift backdated to April 24.

[CraigyMc]

Scrump said:

Pay cut is a bit misleading. Article says they have been awarded a 4.64% uplift backdated to April 24.

It's a real-terms pay-cut when inflation is accounted for, according to the article.

[wc98]

If you live in a typical Scottish town it ended a long time ago and i can't say i blame the dentists. Lots of patients (including me now) available to the dental trainees in their last year to practice on, every cloud etc

[s1962a]

Why would you be an NHS dentist when you can probably get 10 times as much doing private work?

[bloomen]

One of the times when we can definitively blame New Labour?

Gawd knows what they were thinking when they introduced the units of dental activity thing. We do know the results.

[chemistry]

bloomen said:

One of the times when we can definitively blame New Labour?

Gawd knows what they were thinking when they introduced the units of dental activity thing. We do know the results.

Yep, the 2006 contract (UDAs etc) was the beginning of the end for NHS dentistry. To be fair though, dentistry has never really been ‘properly’ included within the NHS.

[CrgT16]

Yes UDA system was/is shambles…. Basically it’s like your employer wants to give you a fixed salary but does not tie your pay to workload or even the number of procedures you need. If you needed 1 filling or 10 the debris got paid the same. Insane idea.

My advice to anyone is, if you can’t afford private dentistry, work well on cleaning your teeth thoroughly and pay attention to what you eat and drink. Information on how to keep your teeth/gums healthy is freely available. As a person take some ownership of your oral health and your dentist visits will be affordable.

[MikeM6]

CraigyMc said:

Scrump said:

Pay cut is a bit misleading. Article says they have been awarded a 4.64% uplift backdated to April 24.

It's a real-terms pay-cut when inflation is accounted for, according to the article.

Pretty standard though, most of the country has had a real terms pay cut for a long time, let alone the tax increases.

[EmailAddress]

CrgT16 said:

My advice to anyone is, if you can’t afford private dentistry, work well on cleaning your teeth thoroughly and pay attention to what you eat and drink. Information on how to keep your teeth/gums healthy is freely available. As a person take some ownership of your oral health and your dentist visits will be affordable.

Great advice.

Also, avoid illness for a happier life, and be wealthy for more opportunities

[MikeM6]

EmailAddress said:

CrgT16 said:

My advice to anyone is, if you can’t afford private dentistry, work well on cleaning your teeth thoroughly and pay attention to what you eat and drink. Information on how to keep your teeth/gums healthy is freely available. As a person take some ownership of your oral health and your dentist visits will be affordable.

Great advice.

Also, avoid illness for a happier life, and be wealthy for more opportunities

You mock, but he is right. So many people have bad dental health because they don't actually take responsibility to look after it. Much the same as any other health matter.

So it probably closer to: avoid doing things that make you ill for a happier life and don't waste your resources to find more opportunities.

[Rufus Stone]

Seems the government can't win either way.

Gave the junior doctors too much and gave dentists too little.

[Sporky]

EmailAddress said:

Great advice.

Also, avoid illness for a happier life, and be wealthy for more opportunities

Brushing your teeth and flossing aren't expensive or difficult.

[EmailAddress]

Sporky said:

EmailAddress said:

Great advice.

Also, avoid illness for a happier life, and be wealthy for more opportunities

Brushing your teeth and flossing aren't expensive or difficult.

They also don't preclude the requirement for dentist visits.

Bizarre horse to sit high from. I brush my teeth so all you dirty mouth peasants are the cause of your own destiny, while we do away with oral care.

[WyrleyD]

s1962a said:

Why would you be an NHS dentist when you can probably get 10 times as much doing private work?

Saw an ad on Indeed last week for a dentist in our locale and the quoted salary was circa £200K!!

[anonymous-user]

More of a ‘payrise’ than a lot

Thankfully I have a great NHS dentist, been with him over 10 years.

[Pitre]

For some balance, Mrs P and myself signed on last summer with an NHS dentist 15 miles away from where we live (after being on a waiting list for a year) and the treatment we've both received has been fine (and affordable).

[Rollin]

It's a 4.6% increase in the contract value.
The increase is supposed to cover increases in costs and also leave enough for an increase in pay.
Unfortunately, the increase isn't enough to cover costs.
Remember that we can't increase charges to offset any of this.

It's pointless having an independent body like the DDRB to calculate what the uplift should be, when the government don't apply it. Especially when it's 10 months late.

Do MPs fiddle around with IPSA decisions and have to wait as long? Do they fk.

Wes has just lost the last small bit of goodwill from NHS dentists.

[CrgT16]

EmailAddress said:

CrgT16 said:

My advice to anyone is, if you can’t afford private dentistry, work well on cleaning your teeth thoroughly and pay attention to what you eat and drink. Information on how to keep your teeth/gums healthy is freely available. As a person take some ownership of your oral health and your dentist visits will be affordable.

Great advice.

Also, avoid illness for a happier life, and be wealthy for more opportunities

Mock what you like It’s sound advice. I speak as a dentist the works on oral surgery. I would say 70% of the extractions I do (I do a lot) are due to neglect and poor dieting/brushing.

You can avoid a lot of treatment by just having an adequate diet with proper oral hygiene. This will reduce your need to see the dentist substantially and would prevent you from needing complex expensive treatments such as implants, etc.

Yes seeing a dentist regularly is important to pick up problems when they are small and screening for oral cancer, etc. but the majority of expensive treatments that are not elective are preventable.

You wouldn’t expect to smoke, drink, eat groups everyday and see your doctor once/twice a year and blame him for medical care cost if you were paying or an heart attack.

My profession gets a lot of stick but due to my job of mostly doing oral surgery or implants I can say 70% of my day is treatment that could be prevented.

I am talking of dentistry to restore health I am not talking about lifestyle/cosmetic dentist. Many people in their 20s have total clearance due to diet and other habits.

See your dentist twice a year and occasionally you will need some treatment but if you clean them well and eat carefully in terms of acid and sugar intake your dentistry costs will be less than running a car per year.

Can’t complain not servicing your car well or not caring how you drive it then getting a big bill to fix it.