NYC subway murder
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The absolute state of it!
Truly shocked by the story emerging of a woman being set on fire on a Subway train in Brooklyn,NYC on Sunday morning
The offender, an illegal immigrant who had previously been deported, attacked the woman, a stranger, on the train
The truly shocking part is that whilst people filmed the attack and her grisly demise, no one helped
That included a NYPD officer who casualty walks by, glances over at the burning woman, who waves his arm and then casually walks on
No one thought to try to help her, try to drag her down and smother the fire or get a fire extinguisher
They just filmed or walked on by
Truly shocked by the story emerging of a woman being set on fire on a Subway train in Brooklyn,NYC on Sunday morning
The offender, an illegal immigrant who had previously been deported, attacked the woman, a stranger, on the train
The truly shocking part is that whilst people filmed the attack and her grisly demise, no one helped
That included a NYPD officer who casualty walks by, glances over at the burning woman, who waves his arm and then casually walks on
No one thought to try to help her, try to drag her down and smother the fire or get a fire extinguisher
They just filmed or walked on by
Much like the right wing with school shootings, I suspect the usual thoughts and prayers will be forthcoming from people on the left who would rather turn a blind eye to the fact this guy was an illegal and already deported once.
And yet when a passer by subdued (ultimately, fatally) a homeless guy with a known history of violence and harassment on the subway, the people were up in arms calling him a murderer. Luckily, that particular hero was acquitted last week.
NYC is a mess, much like SF and, over here, London - I wouldn't touch any of them with a bargepole. I wonder how much their tourism income suffers after incidents like this
And yet when a passer by subdued (ultimately, fatally) a homeless guy with a known history of violence and harassment on the subway, the people were up in arms calling him a murderer. Luckily, that particular hero was acquitted last week.
NYC is a mess, much like SF and, over here, London - I wouldn't touch any of them with a bargepole. I wonder how much their tourism income suffers after incidents like this
k is wrong with people?ChemicalChaos said:
Much like the right wing with school shootings, I suspect the usual thoughts and prayers will be forthcoming from people on the left who would rather turn a blind eye to the fact this guy was an illegal and already deported once.
And yet when a passer by subdued (ultimately, fatally) a homeless guy with a known history of violence and harassment on the subway, the people were up in arms calling him a murderer. Luckily, that particular hero was acquitted last week.
NYC is a mess, much like SF and, over here, London - I wouldn't touch any of them with a bargepole. I wonder how much their tourism income suffers after incidents like this
'people on the left'? Good heavens. And yet when a passer by subdued (ultimately, fatally) a homeless guy with a known history of violence and harassment on the subway, the people were up in arms calling him a murderer. Luckily, that particular hero was acquitted last week.
NYC is a mess, much like SF and, over here, London - I wouldn't touch any of them with a bargepole. I wonder how much their tourism income suffers after incidents like this
Bathroom_Security said:
chrisgtx said:
I had the misfortune to see the footage, it’s horrific, so sad for the poor woman.
The sad thing is in a few days it’ll all be forgotten.
Morally bankrupt society.The sad thing is in a few days it’ll all be forgotten.
I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 24th December 16:48
Mr Whippy said:
Big-city mental disorder. A type of cognitive dissonance.
I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Having lived in Delhi, Jakarta, HK, Singapore and Japan no, it is not worse in the West. I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 24th December 16:48
Edited by wisbech on Tuesday 24th December 17:37
The whole thing is a little bizarre.. I'm not sure how I would react in that situation either.
The person on fire eerily just stands there.
In this crazy world, there would be a lot of things running through my head as was that self inflicted? Is it a stunt? Is it social media gone too far?
Either way, I can't believe how casually the officer walks by, as though he hasn't realised it's a person standing there!
Wtaf!
The person on fire eerily just stands there.
In this crazy world, there would be a lot of things running through my head as was that self inflicted? Is it a stunt? Is it social media gone too far?
Either way, I can't believe how casually the officer walks by, as though he hasn't realised it's a person standing there!
Wtaf!
wisbech said:
Mr Whippy said:
Big-city mental disorder. A type of cognitive dissonance.
I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Having lived in Delhi, Jakarta, HK, Singapore and Japan no, it is not worse in the West. I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 24th December 16:48
Edited by wisbech on Tuesday 24th December 17:37
My gut instinct was that it wasn’t quite as bad in most other big city societies because of religion outlooks like Buddhism and Hinduism etc.
Clearly this ‘big city’ mental disorder is pretty powerful stuff.
I get why things go like this, it’s just weird how it goes to a level that seems too far.
I imagine for many they’re thinking
Scam, somehow.
Fake for TikTok or whatever.
Try help and end up getting burned themselves, fear.
The herd mentality here seems to be that if there is no threat to them then it’s ‘safe’, and helping may make them unsafe.
In a smaller community then the chances are they know they’re safer as they’re likely to know the victim, or someone in the crowd does?!
I see no mention that he used an accelerant? Although they said he was drinking so maybe used that for the fire to be so extreme?
In the slightest defence of those watching, once at the level of burning when the video is on her I don’t think there is any saving her life then, only prolonging the pain. But then again I doesn’t look like that’s why she is being left.
In the slightest defence of those watching, once at the level of burning when the video is on her I don’t think there is any saving her life then, only prolonging the pain. But then again I doesn’t look like that’s why she is being left.
NuckyThompson said:
I see no mention that he used an accelerant? Although they said he was drinking so maybe used that for the fire to be so extreme?
In the slightest defence of those watching, once at the level of burning when the video is on her I don’t think there is any saving her life then, only prolonging the pain. But then again I doesn’t look like that’s why she is being left.
I agree. Although if her last memories were of me chucking a leather jacket over her to try and smother the flames, at least she’d know at least someone had tried to help. In the slightest defence of those watching, once at the level of burning when the video is on her I don’t think there is any saving her life then, only prolonging the pain. But then again I doesn’t look like that’s why she is being left.
How utterly depressing.
wisbech said:
Mr Whippy said:
Big-city mental disorder. A type of cognitive dissonance.
I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Having lived in Delhi, Jakarta, HK, Singapore and Japan no, it is not worse in the West. I guess it’s seen in most societies, but is at its worst in the West.
In my local town and local village people would help each other out as they know each other, their kids, parents, school friends etc.
Get to big city scale and it’s like everyone is together but not together. It’s odd.
Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 24th December 16:48
Edited by wisbech on Tuesday 24th December 17:37
If anything it's the western world regressing however if this had occurred somewhere with more people about then at least a few would have rendered assistance - the fire would be out and the people who restrained the assailant would be on the thick end of wad of criminal charges for suppressing the assailants civil rights.
30 years ago, on Xmas day we were called to a domestic disturbance at a private house
We arrived to find the husband standing on the front lawn with a petrol can in one hand and a lighter in the other
What we didn't know, but suspected, was that he was completely saturated in petrol
After a lengthy standoff and attempts to talk to him and as his wife and children and a group of onlookers watched, he lit the lighter and went up like a Roman candle
We managed to get to him and put him out, it was horrific and he sadly died ( we had the LFB and LAS there)
It's burned on my mind and I can't get my head round how no one especially the cop would try to help
Hey ho
We arrived to find the husband standing on the front lawn with a petrol can in one hand and a lighter in the other
What we didn't know, but suspected, was that he was completely saturated in petrol
After a lengthy standoff and attempts to talk to him and as his wife and children and a group of onlookers watched, he lit the lighter and went up like a Roman candle
We managed to get to him and put him out, it was horrific and he sadly died ( we had the LFB and LAS there)
It's burned on my mind and I can't get my head round how no one especially the cop would try to help
Hey ho
Billy_Rosewood said:
The person on fire eerily just stands there.
It’s shock. At work we had to watch unseen footage from the Bradford football fire. One guy completely in flames, just wandering across the pitch as if he was just out for a wander.I’ll never forget that image.
And yes, the passersby were disgraceful, but again many people react oddly when confronted with a situation out of the ordinary, although the cops reaction (or lack of) is disgraceful. See also Douglas Adam’s’ ‘Somebody else’s problem’ theory.
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