Honda and Nissan to merge to build EVs

[Gecko1978]

https://news.sky.com/story/japanese-car-giants-ann...

I assume like many they can't build cars as cheaply as China and can't sell them along side ICE variants and make a profit

[Jeanboi]

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

[andy43]

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

I’m just thinking of the Skyline people getting together with the NSX people.
That could be fun.

[Jeanboi]

andy43 said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

I’m just thinking of the Skyline people getting together with the NSX people.
That could be fun.

Ooooooooh yes!!!!!

[Silvanus]

andy43 said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

I’m just thinking of the Skyline people getting together with the NSX people.
That could be fun.

Unfortunately I'm not sure if that's the aim of this merger, it's all about mass production of EVs, probably crossovers of some sort. Actually I quite like that Nissan and Honda's take of supercars is very different.

[macp]

So out of touch I thought Nissan were still part of the PSA group.

[page3]

Honda is hugely anti-EV and have done everything in their power to put out a false narrative.
Nissan were up there with the early adopters with the Leaf, then did sod all for years and let their advantage vanish.

Both companies don’t deserve to survive.

[Mezzanine]

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

Up in Sunderland? I cannot imagine for one minute opening a new factory is in any way affordable/logical in the U.K?

[Silvanus]

macp said:

So out of touch I thought Nissan were still part of the PSA group.

You are very out of touch PSA is now Stellantis. I believe Nissan may still have an alliance with Renault. I don't remember Nissan ever being part of PSA.

[macp]

Silvanus said:

macp said:

So out of touch I thought Nissan were still part of the PSA group.

You are very out of touch PSA is now Stellantis. I believe Nissan may still have an alliance with Renault. I don't remember Nissan ever being part of PSA.

I am indeed very out of touch as you so gently pointed out

[Jeanboi]

Yes Nissan have an alliance with Renault and Mitsubishi.
It's a little different to how the Stellantis thing works.

[Jeanboi]

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

Up in Sunderland? I cannot imagine for one minute opening a new factory is in any way affordable/logical in the U.K?

Why not? 'Factories in the UK' is fundamentally better for us than 'factories not in the UK'.

[Mezzanine]

Jeanboi said:

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

Up in Sunderland? I cannot imagine for one minute opening a new factory is in any way affordable/logical in the U.K?

Why not? 'Factories in the UK' is fundamentally better for us than 'factories not in the UK'.

Of course but they are not exactly competitive in the global market without huge government incentives.

[Jeanboi]

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

Up in Sunderland? I cannot imagine for one minute opening a new factory is in any way affordable/logical in the U.K?

Why not? 'Factories in the UK' is fundamentally better for us than 'factories not in the UK'.

Of course but they are not exactly competitive in the global market without huge government incentives.

What is your opinion about car manufacturing across Europe, in Germany, France, Spain, Poland........?
Also the same, cannot compete without government incentives?

[menousername]

Are mergers ever about new anything? New, large, cap ex projects? New production lines and factories?

Surely this is a consolidation and cost reduction play.

[Mezzanine]

Jeanboi said:

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

Up in Sunderland? I cannot imagine for one minute opening a new factory is in any way affordable/logical in the U.K?

Why not? 'Factories in the UK' is fundamentally better for us than 'factories not in the UK'.

Of course but they are not exactly competitive in the global market without huge government incentives.

What is your opinion about car manufacturing across Europe, in Germany, France, Spain, Poland........?
Also the same, cannot compete without government incentives?

Plenty of those have far lower wage bills, and less cross-border BS to deal with, thus are more attractive to manufacturers than this country.

[anonymous-user]

page3 said:

Honda is hugely anti-EV and have done everything in their power to put out a false narrative.
Nissan were up there with the early adopters with the Leaf, then did sod all for years and let their advantage vanish.

Both companies don’t deserve to survive.

Honda don't deserve to survive because they correctly predicted that the majority of folks can't/won't buy an EV for some considerable time?

They also built one of the coolest EV's we've seen so far... (IMO obviously).

[WPA]

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

Honda may end up building cars in the UK again, so I hear.

That can only be a good thing.

Up in Sunderland? I cannot imagine for one minute opening a new factory is in any way affordable/logical in the U.K?

Nisan are building a brand new battery factory on site in Sunderland, £500 million and creating 800 jobs opening in 2025

[Southerner]

Mezzanine said:

Jeanboi said:

What is your opinion about car manufacturing across Europe, in Germany, France, Spain, Poland........?
Also the same, cannot compete without government incentives?

Plenty of those have far lower wage bills, and less cross-border BS to deal with, thus are more attractive to manufacturers than this country.

Indeed, surely the UK gave up any right to expect anyone to want to manufacture anything here when we made the idiotic decision to give the rest of Europe two fingers?!

[Gecko1978]

If Labour want growth surely EVs made in the UK is a good thing even if they have to forgo business taxes on those firms