Green issues and pets not talked about
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I was idly pondering this and looked up the green implications of pet ownership. Bit shocked, I had no idea that one average sized family dog can "cost" as much carbon as running a car. Cats and smaller pets less so. And a fun fact of a thousand tons of dog dirt PER DAY in the UK ends up in landfill or otherwise disposed. This is highly toxic and bad for the environment, and also not cool for the shoes.
Wonder when the state is going to pick up on this in our net zero push?
There's loads of info out there. Just seems incredible to me that we are being rushed to EV, and still allowing people to own multiple animals that need mostly meat to eat. Most people don't need pets if we are honest, but we do need transport. Maybe choose between your car or pet or overseas holiday. To have all would appear very selfish.
Just have a look online and see.
Wonder when the state is going to pick up on this in our net zero push?
There's loads of info out there. Just seems incredible to me that we are being rushed to EV, and still allowing people to own multiple animals that need mostly meat to eat. Most people don't need pets if we are honest, but we do need transport. Maybe choose between your car or pet or overseas holiday. To have all would appear very selfish.
Just have a look online and see.
HertsBiker said:
I was idly pondering this and looked up the green implications of pet ownership. Bit shocked, I had no idea that one average sized family dog can "cost" as much carbon as running a car. Cats and smaller pets less so. And a fun fact of a thousand tons of dog dirt PER DAY in the UK ends up in landfill or otherwise disposed. This is highly toxic and bad for the environment, and also not cool for the shoes.
Wonder when the state is going to pick up on this in our net zero push?
There's loads of info out there. Just seems incredible to me that we are being rushed to EV, and still allowing people to own multiple animals that need mostly meat to eat. Most people don't need pets if we are honest, but we do need transport. Maybe choose between your car or pet or overseas holiday. To have all would appear very selfish.
Just have a look online and see.
Are you really this bored?Wonder when the state is going to pick up on this in our net zero push?
There's loads of info out there. Just seems incredible to me that we are being rushed to EV, and still allowing people to own multiple animals that need mostly meat to eat. Most people don't need pets if we are honest, but we do need transport. Maybe choose between your car or pet or overseas holiday. To have all would appear very selfish.
Just have a look online and see.
I'm pretty sceptical of the study that everyone seems to be quoting from. I haven't looked in much detail but it doesn't seem to take into account that pet food production typically uses all the bits of the animal including offal that humans don't want to eat. No one is rearing animals just for dog food.
While there is undoubtedly some impact, from a moral point of view I don't see it as any different to choosing to have children - arguably one of the worst things that anyone can do if they truly care about the planet.
While there is undoubtedly some impact, from a moral point of view I don't see it as any different to choosing to have children - arguably one of the worst things that anyone can do if they truly care about the planet.
The basic problem is that there are too many people on the planet, get rid of about 4 billion and that's 4 billion fewer chasing resources for them and their pets etc
With this surplus population gone there will be more food and energy for those that remain meaning we can have lobster and steak every day whilst driving about in a V8, V10 or V12, you know, the bare minimum for the well heeled and powerfully built company director...
No, I'm not being serious
With this surplus population gone there will be more food and energy for those that remain meaning we can have lobster and steak every day whilst driving about in a V8, V10 or V12, you know, the bare minimum for the well heeled and powerfully built company director...
No, I'm not being serious
We are definately in a period of 'New Puritanism', it seems that anything which provides a simple pleasure to people and a distraction to the absolute hell hole that living in the UK has become is fair game. Labour are nailed on to ramp this up.
I was reading something the other day suggesting that mountain biking is now in the cross hairs - apparently all of those 50mm wide tyres are churning upland tracks and releasing the evil carbon into the atmosphere - FFS, part of me is glad I'm not far off being out of here.
I was reading something the other day suggesting that mountain biking is now in the cross hairs - apparently all of those 50mm wide tyres are churning upland tracks and releasing the evil carbon into the atmosphere - FFS, part of me is glad I'm not far off being out of here.
So, by this measure, we should cull all foxes, badgers and any other creature that eats meat and s
ts in the woods, parks or paths.
Dog poo does indeed go to landfill. But, providing the landfill is properly managed, that poo accelerates and improves the decomposition of other material in the landfill which generates methane which is piped off to be used to create renewable energy.
There is a very long list of things that negatively impact climate and the environment. Pet ownership is not one of them.
ts in the woods, parks or paths.Dog poo does indeed go to landfill. But, providing the landfill is properly managed, that poo accelerates and improves the decomposition of other material in the landfill which generates methane which is piped off to be used to create renewable energy.
There is a very long list of things that negatively impact climate and the environment. Pet ownership is not one of them.
Douglas Quaid said:
Is there money to be made from banning pets?
If not it won’t happen.
Bingo. If not it won’t happen.
We use poo bags, buy tinned food and kibble, but don’t go in for thousands of dog toys or stupid neckerchiefs. Carbon emissions and waste are probably quite a bit, but not as much as looking after my father in law when he had dementia. We needed an extra general waste bin just for the nappies.
Who’s first Rach? Fido or grandad?
HertsBiker said:
They are taking your ICE away and making you buy expensive EVs.
Who is? When? Do you know if "they" have booked mine in for collection? *nervously looks out of window for car transporter*
Also *nervously looks out of window for arrival of "they" with a Porsche Taycan, a credit card reader, and a gun*
Edited by Skodillac on Wednesday 11th December 11:21
Timothy Bucktu said:
I'm surprised C02 fire extinguishers haven't been banned?
netzeroisjustaloadofolddogsbks.com
Do you not have a fire sizer app on your phone? It uses the phone camera to measure emissions from a fire as it gets bigger and compares the smoke quantity with likely extinguisher emissions and advises at what point in a house fire using an extinguisher will be the most carbon efficient.netzeroisjustaloadofolddogsb
ks.comStevieBee said:
So, by this measure, we should cull all foxes, badgers and any other creature that eats meat and sts in the woods, parks or paths.
The figure is from the CO2e emissions of farming meat. The foxes and badgers aren't driving diesel tractors or spreading synthetic fertiliser or keeping cattle, and their sts in the woods, parks or paths.t is decomposing aerobically and not generating methane.I think the OP's beef is that some carbon emitting choices are under legislative and fiscal pressure to be discouraged and others are not. He could as easily have picked human meat consumption or air travel or fast fashion or consumer goods. I have some sympathy in principle, because it has always irked me that car emissions were taxed so much more highly than domestic emissions - emit by driving to work, pay up, emit by driving on your XBox, no charge sir. Though bizarrely now that motorists have the ability to access that low tax energy with EVs some motorists are crying foul and wanting to continue paying through the nose (or more accurately, wanting other people who have EVs to continue paying through the nose).
Personally, ideally, I would have a flat carbon tax in £/kg CO2e on absolutely everything and let people choose what they spend their budget on, but that's politically and administratively difficult. Hence the current approach of picking things which can be decarbonised at little cost to utility and mandating those.
HertsBiker said:
I was idly pondering this and looked up the green implications of pet ownership. Bit shocked, I had no idea that one average sized family dog can "cost" as much carbon as running a car. Cats and smaller pets less so. And a fun fact of a thousand tons of dog dirt PER DAY in the UK ends up in landfill or otherwise disposed. This is highly toxic and bad for the environment, and also not cool for the shoes.
Wonder when the state is going to pick up on this in our net zero push?
There's loads of info out there. Just seems incredible to me that we are being rushed to EV, and still allowing people to own multiple animals that need mostly meat to eat. Most people don't need pets if we are honest, but we do need transport. Maybe choose between your car or pet or overseas holiday To have all would appear very selfish.
Just have a look online and see.
We had a total of three dogs over the period between 1998 and 2022. During that time, because we had dogs, we took one overseas holiday. Not to mention we spent many hours every week walking the dogs when we would probably have been doing other things which would have used far more of the earth's resources.Wonder when the state is going to pick up on this in our net zero push?
There's loads of info out there. Just seems incredible to me that we are being rushed to EV, and still allowing people to own multiple animals that need mostly meat to eat. Most people don't need pets if we are honest, but we do need transport. Maybe choose between your car or pet or overseas holiday To have all would appear very selfish.
Just have a look online and see.
These things balance themselves out. Having a pet dog is not an unreasonable thing to expect in a country like the UK.
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