Syrian civil war

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Mannginger

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9,879 posts

272 months

Friday 29th November 2024
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I couldn't see a post on this. After years of "relative" peace suddenly it's all kicked off again with anti-government forces making significant gains and into Aleppo already.

Quite a few unsavoury groups involved along with Turkish-backed rebels. I assume some of this is due to the Russian's being distracted and reducing forces in the region?

Ceasefire in Lebanon was nice to see this week, only for this to flare up in the region. What a mess!

Edited to add a link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly27r5p0yno

Art0ir

9,423 posts

185 months

Friday 29th November 2024
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HTS leadership spent the last few years preparing for it by consolidating Idlib, uniting the disparate factions and investing heavily in statebuilding and military training.

Lot's of lessons from the Russian invasion (see the amount of drone usage the last few days) and as you said Russia, Iran and their proxies including Hizbollah are in shambles.

Assad's forces seem to have just collapsed in Aleppo.

dudleybloke

20,553 posts

201 months

Friday 29th November 2024
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Interesting times.

Square Leg

15,392 posts

204 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Who are the good guys?
Who should we be rooting for?

Mannginger

Original Poster:

9,879 posts

272 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Short of the Kurds (controversial take) who aren't really involved in this current attack, I don't think there are any "good guys".

Certainly not the Islamist HTS (Al-Qaeda/ISIS background) who appear to be spearheading the current attack. Maybe the Turkish backed SNA (Syrian National Army) who I think are involved in the current fighting with HTS as allies of convenience are "as good as it gets" from the current combatants but it's a pretty low bar.

Unfortunately for everyday Syrians there aren't many great options here, although I'm not sure how successful long-term an Islamist group will be in Syria if HTS were ultimately able to overthrow Assad.

Biker 1

8,154 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Will there be some sort of march every Saturday in London? Will BBC journalists be encouraged to wear Syrian flag colours? Or perhaps the Russian & Syrian air forces will be condemned for not using precision munitions?

Dingu

4,885 posts

45 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Biker 1 said:
Will there be some sort of march every Saturday in London? Will BBC journalists be encouraged to wear Syrian flag colours? Or perhaps the Russian & Syrian air forces will be condemned for not using precision munitions?
Will idiots post on forums?






Apparently so.

TwigtheWonderkid

46,331 posts

165 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Biker 1 said:
Will there be some sort of march every Saturday in London? Will BBC journalists be encouraged to wear Syrian flag colours? Or perhaps the Russian & Syrian air forces will be condemned for not using precision munitions?
Nope, hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by other Muslims don't warrant a mention. Syria, Yemen, various African warzones; no one's bothered. Muslims killed by Israelis is where the sympathy begins.

CharlieCrocodile

1,227 posts

168 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Square Leg said:
Who are the good guys?
Who should we be rooting for?
Dare I say it, Assad, as he seems to be the least worst option. HTS are definitely the bad guys here.

Countdown

44,609 posts

211 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Biker 1 said:
Will there be some sort of march every Saturday in London? Will BBC journalists be encouraged to wear Syrian flag colours? Or perhaps the Russian & Syrian air forces will be condemned for not using precision munitions?
Nope, hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by other Muslims don't warrant a mention. Syria, Yemen, various African warzones; no one's bothered. Muslims killed by Israelis is where the sympathy begins.
Bilge

The British Govt. isn't licking Assad's arse and selling him bombs to defend "his inalienable right to exist"

Upinflames

1,778 posts

193 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Is this the start of an ISIS type caliphate emerging?

TwigtheWonderkid

46,331 posts

165 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Countdown said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Biker 1 said:
Will there be some sort of march every Saturday in London? Will BBC journalists be encouraged to wear Syrian flag colours? Or perhaps the Russian & Syrian air forces will be condemned for not using precision munitions?
Nope, hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by other Muslims don't warrant a mention. Syria, Yemen, various African warzones; no one's bothered. Muslims killed by Israelis is where the sympathy begins.
Bilge

The British Govt. isn't licking Assad's arse and selling him bombs to defend "his inalienable right to exist"
If you believe that, I've got some magic beans to sell you. All these marchers couldn't give two hoots about the Palestinians. They are pretty much loathed by all in the region. The Egyptians hate them, the Lebanese can't abide them, the Jordanians loathe them. The problem isn't Palestinians dying, it's who's killing them that people can't stand.



fizz47

2,952 posts

225 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Here’s the key difference: Israel and its supporters often assert that they have a right to ongoing actions that many consider atrocities, which are openly endorsed by the Israeli government and its representatives and many atrocity deniers in the UK.

In contrast, no one can deny that Syria, Iran, Russia, and similar regimes are clearly despotic and have the blood of millions of innocents on their hand.

The fallacy that Israel should be able to commit ongoing war crimes because it’s neighbours do to is rust plain ridiculous.

The focus should be on holding all parties—whether the Syrian or Russian governments, or any other group—accountable for human rights violations and the suffering of civilians.

Supporting a cause or highlighting atrocities isn’t about endorsing one side over another, but about recognizing the killing and injustices perpetrated by war criminals, no matter where they come from.

Assad, Putin, Netanyahu, MBS, the leaders of the UAE, and Iran all deserve to be held accountable for their crimes.

There is also another difference when it comes to Israel: many of its supporters deny the existence of their war crimes, and it cannot be ignored that a government, elected by its people, openly endorses ethnic cleansing and illegal settlements.

Yet some continue to claim Israel is a liberal democracy, a beacon of civilization. In reality, those who defend or commit such actions are no different from any other despotic regime that perpetrates atrocities without facing any meaningful accountability.

I do agree though that’s what’s happening in Syria is just as despicable and it’s sad to see that they get ignored by the world and unfortunately it’s the innocents who pay the price..

Square Leg

15,392 posts

204 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Here’s an idea - there’s already a massive thread running about Isreal, why not keep your inane ratings for that one Fizzy?

I’m just interested in Syria, as it seems another Iraq emerging with power vacuums and Islamic loons running rampant.

I’m just confused as to who ‘we’ should be supporting - the Islamic loons, the rebels, the Russians, the Iranians or even Assad himself.

Biker 1

8,154 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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The Turkish government have a hand in this. Why are the provoking this? Willy waving to prove how week Iran & hizballah have become?

z4RRSchris

11,982 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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The UK has funded a few hundred million to the FSA + (some other "moderate opposition groups). The US has funded and been involved directly in air strikes backing the SDF and a few others.

Wagner / Russia presence has reduced massively, the local Gov forces couldnt really care less as seen by their swift withdrawl from Aleppo

who should we support? - no idea

grumbledoak

32,134 posts

248 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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CharlieCrocodile said:
Square Leg said:
Who are the good guys?
Who should we be rooting for?
Dare I say it, Assad, as he seems to be the least worst option. HTS are definitely the bad guys here.
^^^ that.

This is another proxy war by the West against a leader they don't like because he doesn't recognize Israel. We are not the good guys here, and nor are our proxy forces.

BikeBikeBIke

11,790 posts

130 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Biker 1 said:
The Turkish government have a hand in this. Why are the provoking this? Willy waving to prove how week Iran & hizballah have become?
If the country next door to you has a civil war with multiple factions, most of which are horrific, you'd be mad not to actively support the least worst option.

z4RRSchris

11,982 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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It could have been funded by the West to try and distract Russia from Ukraine, but seem Russia are happy enough to let Assad fail.

isaldiri

22,023 posts

183 months

Monday 2nd December 2024
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Biker 1 said:
The Turkish government have a hand in this. Why are the provoking this? Willy waving to prove how week Iran & hizballah have become?
Using it as an excuse for them to crackdown on the kurdish factions in the area (again).