Netanyahu - The Outstanding Leader This Century
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Seems like a reasonable case made. Both economic revival and dealing with terrorist threats from surrounding states.
"More than anyone Netanyahu is responsible for Israel’s economic miracle which has made his country the world’s 13th wealthiest: GDP per capita has increased from US$17,000 to $58,200 since 2003."
"Netanyahu’s most important contribution to global leadership has been not in the realm of economics but global security. More than any other world leader he has stood steadfast in refusal to countenance a Palestinian state, whose component parts are currently run by terrorist groups, Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza.
Neither of these groups will ever accept Israel’s existence. Netanyahu has always recognised that a two-state solution would exacerbate, not resolve, the region’s instability. The October 7 massacre of Jews demonstrated the accuracy of his understanding of the real nature of Hamas – an unreformable Jihadi death cult that is a menace not only to Israel but also the world."
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-choice-as-w...
"More than anyone Netanyahu is responsible for Israel’s economic miracle which has made his country the world’s 13th wealthiest: GDP per capita has increased from US$17,000 to $58,200 since 2003."
"Netanyahu’s most important contribution to global leadership has been not in the realm of economics but global security. More than any other world leader he has stood steadfast in refusal to countenance a Palestinian state, whose component parts are currently run by terrorist groups, Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza.
Neither of these groups will ever accept Israel’s existence. Netanyahu has always recognised that a two-state solution would exacerbate, not resolve, the region’s instability. The October 7 massacre of Jews demonstrated the accuracy of his understanding of the real nature of Hamas – an unreformable Jihadi death cult that is a menace not only to Israel but also the world."
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-choice-as-w...
I guess it depends on your perspective as to whether he's 'outstanding'..
Here's a take from Niall Fergusson:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/israels-iron-p...
Did he really not know the October 7 attacks were coming?
The Israeli intelligence services seem to know exactly where their enemies are when they want rid of them. Did they really not know that 1200 jihadists were going to come and start a war?
It gave him the excuse he needed to kick seven colours out of the Palestinians.
The Israeli intelligence services seem to know exactly where their enemies are when they want rid of them. Did they really not know that 1200 jihadists were going to come and start a war?
It gave him the excuse he needed to kick seven colours out of the Palestinians.
Alright, let’s clear the air and just so we are all in the same page …
If you disagree with the idea that he’s an outstanding leader, does that make you anti-Semitic? Is that the bar we're setting?
And just to check since being a wanted criminal for crimes against humanity seems to be the new standard for leadership does that mean his closest competition is Putin, Khameni, Blair, Bush, Assad or MBS?
How many children do you have murder to meet the criteria?
How much land do you need to steal to meet the criteria
?
How many lies do you have to make up to be such an outstanding leader ?
If you disagree with the idea that he’s an outstanding leader, does that make you anti-Semitic? Is that the bar we're setting?
And just to check since being a wanted criminal for crimes against humanity seems to be the new standard for leadership does that mean his closest competition is Putin, Khameni, Blair, Bush, Assad or MBS?
How many children do you have murder to meet the criteria?
How much land do you need to steal to meet the criteria
?
How many lies do you have to make up to be such an outstanding leader ?
Edited by fizz47 on Wednesday 27th November 16:59
gofasterrosssco said:
I guess it depends on your perspective as to whether he's 'outstanding'..
Here's a take from Niall Fergusson:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/israels-iron-p...
Good article. Here's a take from Niall Fergusson:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/israels-iron-p...
As for the link I posted there can't be many leader who have both governed while their country had great economic improvement and also responded with courage and success to international and domestic aggression/terror.
The other one that springs to mind is Thatcher. Successfully transformed the UK economy while defeating Argentina, Arthur Scargill, and making a good job of containing the IRA threat.
Being a great leader, of course, doesn't always make you popular.
fizz47 said:
Alright, let’s clear the air and just so we are all in the same page …
If you disagree with the idea that he’s an outstanding leader, does that make you anti-Semitic? Is that the bar we're setting?
And just to check since being a wanted criminal for crimes against humanity seems to be the new standard for leadership does that mean his closest competition is Putin, Khameni, Blair, Bush, Assad or MBS?
How many children do you have murder to meet the criteria?
How much land do you need to steal to meet the criteria
?
How many lies do you have to make up to be such an outstanding leader ?
I agree, this is probably the most disgusting thread I have seen on PH.If you disagree with the idea that he’s an outstanding leader, does that make you anti-Semitic? Is that the bar we're setting?
And just to check since being a wanted criminal for crimes against humanity seems to be the new standard for leadership does that mean his closest competition is Putin, Khameni, Blair, Bush, Assad or MBS?
How many children do you have murder to meet the criteria?
How much land do you need to steal to meet the criteria
?
How many lies do you have to make up to be such an outstanding leader ?
Edited by fizz47 on Wednesday 27th November 16:59
Celebrating war criminals, cold blooded mass murderers, what next.
irc said:
Seems like a reasonable case made. Both economic revival and dealing with terrorist threats from surrounding states.
"More than anyone Netanyahu is responsible for Israel’s economic miracle which has made his country the world’s 13th wealthiest: GDP per capita has increased from US$17,000 to $58,200 since 2003."
"Netanyahu’s most important contribution to global leadership has been not in the realm of economics but global security. More than any other world leader he has stood steadfast in refusal to countenance a Palestinian state, whose component parts are currently run by terrorist groups, Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza.
Neither of these groups will ever accept Israel’s existence. Netanyahu has always recognised that a two-state solution would exacerbate, not resolve, the region’s instability. The October 7 massacre of Jews demonstrated the accuracy of his understanding of the real nature of Hamas – an unreformable Jihadi death cult that is a menace not only to Israel but also the world."
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-choice-as-w...
Sounds reasonable to me."More than anyone Netanyahu is responsible for Israel’s economic miracle which has made his country the world’s 13th wealthiest: GDP per capita has increased from US$17,000 to $58,200 since 2003."
"Netanyahu’s most important contribution to global leadership has been not in the realm of economics but global security. More than any other world leader he has stood steadfast in refusal to countenance a Palestinian state, whose component parts are currently run by terrorist groups, Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza.
Neither of these groups will ever accept Israel’s existence. Netanyahu has always recognised that a two-state solution would exacerbate, not resolve, the region’s instability. The October 7 massacre of Jews demonstrated the accuracy of his understanding of the real nature of Hamas – an unreformable Jihadi death cult that is a menace not only to Israel but also the world."
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-choice-as-w...
Leaving aside the morality aspect, as PH tends to divide into pro and anti Israeli factions. I am not sure he really qualifies as "great" in the old statesmen model, whether that be a Bismarck or a number of other statesman in the same mold.
He let Iranian proxies become embedded on his borders, and to grow in power, and only took action once one of those proxies had carried out its raid, which the Israeli army were noticeable feeble to respond to, said feebleness ultimately his responsibility as PM. Everything since has been a process along a route which any half way competent Israeli leader might do to try and restore security and deterrence.
In fact it has had considerable input by all the Israeli security establishment, so whoever is in the PM's seat just needs to hold their nerve and help implement the collective vision.
In Lebanon he is reverting to the old policy of reprisal and deterrence, rather than any fundamental realignment. In Gaza it looks like they will stay the course and try and stop it being a long term threat, so that at least is a strategic action, but this is a policy with widespread support as mentioned and doesn't depend on any one man.
Fundamentally the Israelis do not think like us as for them security still depends on "Blood and Iron" to use the old Bismarckian phrase.
He let Iranian proxies become embedded on his borders, and to grow in power, and only took action once one of those proxies had carried out its raid, which the Israeli army were noticeable feeble to respond to, said feebleness ultimately his responsibility as PM. Everything since has been a process along a route which any half way competent Israeli leader might do to try and restore security and deterrence.
In fact it has had considerable input by all the Israeli security establishment, so whoever is in the PM's seat just needs to hold their nerve and help implement the collective vision.
In Lebanon he is reverting to the old policy of reprisal and deterrence, rather than any fundamental realignment. In Gaza it looks like they will stay the course and try and stop it being a long term threat, so that at least is a strategic action, but this is a policy with widespread support as mentioned and doesn't depend on any one man.
Fundamentally the Israelis do not think like us as for them security still depends on "Blood and Iron" to use the old Bismarckian phrase.
'Outstanding' should mean vision, laying foundations for the future, knowing when to unify, when to compromise, when to delegate and when to step aside.
Erm...
He's a grubby piece of s
t who seems untroubled by killing for his own gain.
Same as the people who are opposing him pretty much.
The only thing they do seem to agree on is that dead Palestinians grease all sets of wheels.
Erm...
He's a grubby piece of s
t who seems untroubled by killing for his own gain. Same as the people who are opposing him pretty much.
The only thing they do seem to agree on is that dead Palestinians grease all sets of wheels.
irc said:
Seems like a reasonable case made. Both economic revival and dealing with terrorist threats from surrounding states.
"More than anyone Netanyahu is responsible for Israel’s economic miracle which has made his country the world’s 13th wealthiest: GDP per capita has increased from US$17,000 to $58,200 since 2003."
"Netanyahu’s most important contribution to global leadership has been not in the realm of economics but global security. More than any other world leader he has stood steadfast in refusal to countenance a Palestinian state, whose component parts are currently run by terrorist groups, Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza.
Neither of these groups will ever accept Israel’s existence. Netanyahu has always recognised that a two-state solution would exacerbate, not resolve, the region’s instability. The October 7 massacre of Jews demonstrated the accuracy of his understanding of the real nature of Hamas – an unreformable Jihadi death cult that is a menace not only to Israel but also the world."
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-choice-as-w...
Israel's economic success has been decades in the making. The strength and depth of its education system (contrast with the UK) has paid off. Its terrific business startup incubation system has allowed it to promote cutting-edge ideas and build high value-add goods and services industries (contrast with the UK). "More than anyone Netanyahu is responsible for Israel’s economic miracle which has made his country the world’s 13th wealthiest: GDP per capita has increased from US$17,000 to $58,200 since 2003."
"Netanyahu’s most important contribution to global leadership has been not in the realm of economics but global security. More than any other world leader he has stood steadfast in refusal to countenance a Palestinian state, whose component parts are currently run by terrorist groups, Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza.
Neither of these groups will ever accept Israel’s existence. Netanyahu has always recognised that a two-state solution would exacerbate, not resolve, the region’s instability. The October 7 massacre of Jews demonstrated the accuracy of his understanding of the real nature of Hamas – an unreformable Jihadi death cult that is a menace not only to Israel but also the world."
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/my-choice-as-w...
You mention GDP per capita, and mention some figures. I'm not sure where those numbers are sourced. Here are the World Bank's figures (with UK and Germany for comparison):
Yes, it is impressive. But, no, Israel isn't now some tremendous outlier.
And what else *really* kicked off the Isreali economic revolution? Immigration
Specifically a wave of >1m new Jewish immigrants from the former USSR, a great many highly educated and motivated to succeed, bringing hugely-renewed vigour to technical and scientific disciplines upon which Israel now depends. Those people and their offspring now make up >15% of Israel's population. Israel doubled-down on tech by investing $bns of state money into the sector - an investment that paid-off handsomely in the mid-2000s.And finally? Enormous defence expenditure by the USA and others. That tech investment by the Israeli state, coupled with preferential trade with the USA (a complete free trade agreement in place by the mid-1990s), led to absolutely enormous defence exports, feeding a virtuous (economically, at least) cycle of further tech investment.
What did Netanyahu contribute to all of this? Well, he likes to spend lots of tax money buying munitions
It is true that he's had considerable influence over Israel's economic development. His legendary intransigence, backed by considerable sympathy towards Israel from certain quarters, has allowed Israel to achieve trading relationships and investments wholly unavailable to most other nations.The USA is a significant net importer from Israel. Unlike many other FTAs, there's no domestic opposition to this deficit within the USA.
So is Netanyahu a miracle-worker? No. Has he played his hand well? Absolutely. Would his approach have worked in any other country? Highly doubtful.
page3 said:
andyA700 said:
Celebrating war criminals, cold blooded mass murderers, what next.
Doesn’t that happen most weekends in London in the hate marches? Are you totally unaware of what the Israeli state has been doing to Palestinians since 1948?
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