Pay per mile

[andygo]

I have little doubt that pay- per mile is going to be foisted on us in the not too distant future as a result of EV's havinga cheap ride.

It occurred to me that tracking pay per mile usage can easily be interrogated to monitor any exceeding of the (often daft) speed limits and penalties issued accordingly..

I guess tat little gem from the department of big brothers looking after you will be known as 'points per mile'..

[captain_cynic]

andygo said:

I have little doubt that pay- per mile is going to be foisted on us in the not too distant future as a result of EV's havinga cheap ride.

It occurred to me that tracking pay per mile usage can easily be interrogated to monitor any exceeding of the (often daft) speed limits and penalties issued accordingly..

I guess tat little gem from the department of big brothers looking after you will be known as 'points per mile'..

I have a lot of doubt that it will be foisted on us.

The only people even talking about it are fringe lunatics who should really be ignored like extremist environmentalists and the Daily Mail.

[alangla]

captain_cynic said:

I have a lot of doubt that it will be foisted on us.

The only people even talking about it are fringe lunatics who should really be ignored like extremist environmentalists and the Daily Mail.

You sure about that?

Tony Blair Institute said:

Introduce road pricing: Rather than increasing fuel duty in the spring, introduce a simple pay-per-mile road-pricing system of 1p per mile for cars and vans, and 2.5p to 4p for heavy-goods vehicles. This reform would be revenue neutral compared with current plans to raise fuel duty but would be a crucial step in reforming the UK’s system of motoring taxation for the electric-vehicle era. In doing so, it would help prevent a growth-stifling rise in road congestion.

https://institute.global/insights/economic-prosperity/looking-beyond-uk-budget-2024-priority-reforms-for-2025

It would be a surprise if he didn’t have the ear of the current government.

[andygo]

captain_cynic said:

I have a lot of doubt that it will be foisted on us.

The only people even talking about it are fringe lunatics who should really be ignored like extremist environmentalists and the Daily Mail.

The fringe lunatics happen to be the current labour party actually.

[captain_cynic]

andygo said:

The fringe lunatics happen to be the current labour party actually.

Except they aren't.

The lunatics are the ones pretending that.

[Type R Tom]

I'm on the fence about pay per mile. I would need to see the numbers before making a decision.

I would have thought that some of those with second or third cars would welcome it, and maybe people now that WFH would be interested as they might end up paying less. Obviously, there would be many who would pay more.

It might make some of those more interesting SOTW with £700 VED more viable.

[bloomen]

captain_cynic said:

I have a lot of doubt that it will be foisted on us.

They won't be giving up what fuel duty brings in.

Hard to think of many other ways to do it other than this.

[captain_cynic]

bloomen said:

captain_cynic said:

I have a lot of doubt that it will be foisted on us.

They won't be giving up what fuel duty brings in.

Hard to think of many other ways to do it other than this.

A tariff on electricity would be far more likely. Easier to enforce, less ability to evade but still highly unlikely. That being said, fuel duty will still be bringing in the revenue for years to come so there's no point in even considering changes. Remember that they've kept the duty frozen for years and Labour is continuing that. They know changes to how cars and transport are taxed amount to electoral suicide.

The whole "pay per mile" thing comes up every time the Daily Heil wants to print a scare story about Labour... Seeing as Labour haven't actually done anything bad (the budget was not as bad as we were expecting) they've dusted off the old tried and tested methods of generating fear in the hard of thinking.

This pay per mile has been used as fear mongering for years, it's never happened because politicians aren't that stupid but people who swallow this nonsense are.

[CT05 Nose Cone]

captain_cynic said:

A tariff on electricity would be far more likely. Easier to enforce, less ability to evade but still highly unlikely. That being said, fuel duty will still be bringing in the revenue for years to come so there's no point in even considering changes. Remember that they've kept the duty frozen for years and Labour is continuing that. They know changes to how cars and transport are taxed amount to electoral suicide.

The whole "pay per mile" thing comes up every time the Daily Heil wants to print a scare story about Labour... Seeing as Labour haven't actually done anything bad (the budget was not as bad as we were expecting) they've dusted off the old tried and tested methods of generating fear in the hard of thinking.

This pay per mile has been used as fear mongering for years, it's never happened because politicians aren't that stupid but people who swallow this nonsense are.

Notorious far right media like The Guardian and The Daily Mirror?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/23/p...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/pay-per-mile-explai...

[LemonTart]

Easy

Flat rate for first three years then bill at X pence per mile on mileage logged on MOT.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

LemonTart said:

Easy

Flat rate for first three years then bill at X pence per mile on mileage logged on MOT.

Cool if you have a car that doesn't need an MOT. Or, if most of your miles are overseas.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

The thing that always surprises me is foreign traffic is able to use the roads for free.

Must make sense to introduce a road tax certificate (a bit like in Switzerland or Austria) for overseas traffic.

[NerveAgent]

What’s the opposition to pay-per-mile? Surely it’s a right leaning favoured policy?

[ChocolateFrog]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

LemonTart said:

Easy

Flat rate for first three years then bill at X pence per mile on mileage logged on MOT.

Cool if you have a car that doesn't need an MOT. Or, if most of your miles are overseas.

And so easily defeated.

[Tankrizzo]

captain_cynic said:

I have a lot of doubt that it will be foisted on us.

The only people even talking about it are fringe lunatics who should really be ignored like extremist environmentalists and the Daily Mail.

Actually both TFL and the last government were actively discussing pay per mile strategies. So not "fringe lunatics".

[andygo]

My point as the OP was that how easy it would be to use the pay per mile technology to look at speed data and speeding enforcement.

[Gareth79]

LemonTart said:

Easy

Flat rate for first three years then bill at X pence per mile on mileage logged on MOT.

A odometer is not required for an MOT, nor is it required to read accurately, and as mentioned it's trivial to "adjust" on many cars.

[grumbledoak]

I doubt they will need the pay per mile system for this, with Intelligent Speed Assistance and eCall SOS already being fitted...

[Sheepshanks]

andygo said:

My point as the OP was that how easy it would be to use the pay per mile technology to look at speed data and speeding enforcement.

It’d be very simple to control cars’ speed on cars made in the last few years - it was the original reason that what is now eCall was invented. So there’d be no speed penalties as drivers would never speed.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Saturday 9th November 21:55

[andygo]

I think I may just emigrate.