Scumbags released early from prison

[Rider007]

Boils my pi$$ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/oct...

sorry for the daily fail link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13986421/...

picked up in a lambo and bentley. They're jsut rubbing the legal system noses in it.

[Xenoous]

It's ok though because they put the dangerous ttter posters behind bars.

[nuyorican]

Someone must have posted some insensitive memes!

[MrBogSmith]

Forget the recent riot social media cases. At it's core it's simple supply and demand. Too few places for how many people we put through the criminal justice system.

We run a 'lock-em up' type system with high re-offending (as oppose to Nordic / Scandinavian models) so spaces are needed.

I believe 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' New Labour started the trend.

[IanH755]

SKS trotting out the same old cliche "It's the last governments fault, not ours" despite it being his Government thats releasing them all. The claim of "if we don't it'll all collapse" is just rubbish, there's lots more ways to house criminals and they've had 3 months to be "the adults in charge" that they claim to be and come up with a better idea rather than mass releases and it begs the question of were the Tories going to be "forced" to do the same if they'd won?

However, as always with any new Government this shower have just decided its easier to let these people out instead and then blamed someone else for all the bad PR it gets, having not learned the "public don't like it = BAD PR" lesson last time - not exactly "adults in charge" behaviour is it!

[Drumroll]

Rider007 said:

Boils my pi$$ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/oct...

sorry for the daily fail link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13986421/...

picked up in a lambo and bentley. They're jsut rubbing the legal system noses in it.

Why?

You do realise that getting picked up in "posh car" after leaving prison has been going on for years.

[valiant]

IanH755 said:

SKS trotting out the same old cliche "It's the last governments fault, not ours" despite it being his Government thats releasing them all. The claim of "if we don't it'll all collapse" is just rubbish, there's lots more ways to house criminals and they've had 3 months to be "the adults in charge" that they claim to be and come up with a better idea rather than mass releases and it begs the question of were the Tories going to be "forced" to do the same if they'd won?

However, as always with any new Government this shower have just decided its easier to let these people out instead and then blamed someone else for all the bad PR it gets, having not learned the "public don't like it = BAD PR" lesson last time - not exactly "adults in charge" behaviour is it!

The last government also released prisoners early due to overcrowding issues. The last government kicked the can down the road until it became the new lots problem. Had the Tories won they’d be in the same position of having to release prisoners early.

Society is quick to yell ‘lock ‘em up’ for virtually any and every crime but never asks itself ‘how?’. There is finite space so we either build more prisons, revisit sentencing guidelines or release prisoners early to accommodate new prisoners.

[MrBogSmith]

IanH755 said:

...there's lots more ways to house criminals...

Which ways?

[limpsfield]

Drumroll said:

Rider007 said:

Boils my pi$$ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/oct...

sorry for the daily fail link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13986421/...

picked up in a lambo and bentley. They're jsut rubbing the legal system noses in it.

Why?

You do realise that getting picked up in "posh car" after leaving prison has been going on for years.

Exactly - great clickbait job by the Daily Mail. I even read all of it!

Bread and circuses.

[John D.]

MrBogSmith said:

IanH755 said:

...there's lots more ways to house criminals...

Which ways?

I'm curious too. Especially ones you can get in place within 3 months.

[ferret50]

Of course, what we should be doing is chaining them together and sending them to dig tunnels for HST2.

[carl_w]

Drumroll said:

You do realise that getting picked up in "posh car" after leaving prison has been going on for years.

"This car belongs to the Pakistani ambassador"

[nuyorican]

Do we really need to be sending so many people to prison? Especially for ttty little crimes like drug possession and TV license evasion. If they even are attracting custodial sentences? But you get the idea?

[Muzzer79]

nuyorican said:

Do we really need to be sending so many people to prison? Especially for ttty little crimes like drug possession and TV license evasion. If they even are attracting custodial sentences? But you get the idea?

The problem is that society and British culture has dictated that if you don't offer a serious deterrent then people don't give a flying fk.

So, without prison as a deterrent for repeat drug offenders they'll just keep doing it. These people don't have shame and don't fear the law. Fining them or making them do 'community work' will just see them stick two fingers up.

[ferret50]

nuyorican said:

Do we really need to be sending so many people to prison? Especially for ttty little crimes like drug possession and TV license evasion. If they even are attracting custodial sentences? But you get the idea?

Of course not, how about twenty lashes of the birch?

[nuyorican]

You think prison is a deterrent to taking drugs? Really? Remarkable. There’s more drugs inside than on the streets so I've heard. Dealing drugs maybe.

I’m in favour of decriminalising it in case we’re getting our wires crossed.

What is cannabis these days out of interest? Legal/illegal/Class A/B/C distinction. Legal when bought from the government/smoked on Maundy Thursday under a new moon?

I’ve no idea if they are still imprisoning people for growing and smoking a plant or eating magic mushrooms etc, but if they are, why not stop doing that seeing as it’s bloody ludicrous. That would make some space.

[milkround]

Muzzer79 said:

The problem is that society and British culture has dictated that if you don't offer a serious deterrent then people don't give a flying fk.

So, without prison as a deterrent for repeat drug offenders they'll just keep doing it. These people don't have shame and don't fear the law. Fining them or making them do 'community work' will just see them stick two fingers up.

Repeat drug offenders keep doing it prison or not. Prisons are full of addicts and mentally unwell people.

This is a bit radical - but I'd rather we spent the money on world class rehab centres, rather than caging people who probably have had significantly worst lives than me and you.

[Paul Dishman]

carl_w said:

Drumroll said:

You do realise that getting picked up in "posh car" after leaving prison has been going on for years.

"This car belongs to the Pakistani ambassador"

I was just thinking on those lines too

[Mrr T]

nuyorican said:

Do we really need to be sending so many people to prison? Especially for ttty little crimes like drug possession and TV license evasion. If they even are attracting custodial sentences? But you get the idea?

Just as a correction, i checked, and there is no one in prison for TV licence evasion.

[Mrr T]

valiant said:

IanH755 said:

SKS trotting out the same old cliche "It's the last governments fault, not ours" despite it being his Government thats releasing them all. The claim of "if we don't it'll all collapse" is just rubbish, there's lots more ways to house criminals and they've had 3 months to be "the adults in charge" that they claim to be and come up with a better idea rather than mass releases and it begs the question of were the Tories going to be "forced" to do the same if they'd won?

However, as always with any new Government this shower have just decided its easier to let these people out instead and then blamed someone else for all the bad PR it gets, having not learned the "public don't like it = BAD PR" lesson last time - not exactly "adults in charge" behaviour is it!

The last government also released prisoners early due to overcrowding issues. The last government kicked the can down the road until it became the new lots problem. Had the Tories won they’d be in the same position of having to release prisoners early.

Society is quick to yell ‘lock ‘em up’ for virtually any and every crime but never asks itself ‘how?’. There is finite space so we either build more prisons, revisit sentencing guidelines or release prisoners early to accommodate new prisoners.

The last government pasted a lot of legislation to create new offences and increase sentences. It just forgot to build more prisons.