Is H&S unstoppable?
Discussion
I see cars being loaded with more and more interfering and costly tech, I see millions being spend on speed cameras, illuminated road speed signs etc. It's all good in terms of it reducing accidents etc but where does it end?
Government will say reducing 30mph limits to 20mph reduces X accidents/injuries but what's to stop them saying 10mph will be the next step? What do car manufacturers do when people get fed up with nannying tech and its cost and look to buy older models with out it?
Ultimately they can say 'If it saves one life/accident' and there's no real argument anyone has to counter that. Will we all be stuck in driverless cars, at 10mph in the future?
Government will say reducing 30mph limits to 20mph reduces X accidents/injuries but what's to stop them saying 10mph will be the next step? What do car manufacturers do when people get fed up with nannying tech and its cost and look to buy older models with out it?
Ultimately they can say 'If it saves one life/accident' and there's no real argument anyone has to counter that. Will we all be stuck in driverless cars, at 10mph in the future?
Cos the old cars were so much better than today?
https://www.thedrive.com/vintage/6093/vintage-cars...
And yeah, I am being a muppet. Though I do agree to a certain extent. This whole bing bong alert for everything is getting very boring very quickly. It might all seem a good idea at the planning stage, but let's face it, people will just ignore them anyway. So what does it actually achieve? I am not sure that these systems are delivering the results that were envisioned.
Personally, I would be putting more money into better road structures, better crash safety and better training for drivers (and potentially higher sentencing for repeat offenders). That would be a very visible way to improve road safety and I am pretty sure it would drive down injuries and deaths. But hey, that involves government spending, rather than pushing it off to the manufacturers so it's never going to happen.
https://www.thedrive.com/vintage/6093/vintage-cars...
And yeah, I am being a muppet. Though I do agree to a certain extent. This whole bing bong alert for everything is getting very boring very quickly. It might all seem a good idea at the planning stage, but let's face it, people will just ignore them anyway. So what does it actually achieve? I am not sure that these systems are delivering the results that were envisioned.
Personally, I would be putting more money into better road structures, better crash safety and better training for drivers (and potentially higher sentencing for repeat offenders). That would be a very visible way to improve road safety and I am pretty sure it would drive down injuries and deaths. But hey, that involves government spending, rather than pushing it off to the manufacturers so it's never going to happen.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Plus this later one on how they clean the clockface at Big Ben.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj5WSFQgGsw
Edited by glazbagun on Friday 11th October 19:14
glazbagun said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Plus this later one on how they clean the clockface at Big Ben.
t scared of heights. Re driver aids, airbags etc, i say cars should have a big sharp metal spike pointing out of the steering wheel pointed right at the drivers chest.
If you crash instant death.
It would make people actually pay attention and concentrate on driving.
people feel too safe in their cars
If you know that even a little bump will kill you, you would make dam sure you never have one.
Im only half joking.
If you crash instant death.
It would make people actually pay attention and concentrate on driving.
people feel too safe in their cars
If you know that even a little bump will kill you, you would make dam sure you never have one.
Im only half joking.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
What a chap! let's hope that noone comes up with any historical blahblah type nonsenseFrimley111R said:
Ultimately they can say 'If it saves one life/accident' and there's no real argument anyone has to counter that. Will we all be stuck in driverless cars, at 10mph in the future?
Except this position is complete nonsense, and no one involved in H&S would ever put that forward. I'm far from a H&S spod, but have worked closely with plenty of them. Practicality and pragmatism is a hallmark ime.
If it were a case of 'if it saves one life' justifying anything, then life would already be massively different from how it is now.
richhead said:
Re driver aids, airbags etc, i say cars should have a big sharp metal spike pointing out of the steering wheel pointed right at the drivers chest.
If you crash instant death.
It would make people actually pay attention and concentrate on driving.
people feel too safe in their cars
If you know that even a little bump will kill you, you would make dam sure you never have one.
Im only half joking.
Wow, what happens it someone crashes into you? Death sentence?If you crash instant death.
It would make people actually pay attention and concentrate on driving.
people feel too safe in their cars
If you know that even a little bump will kill you, you would make dam sure you never have one.
Im only half joking.
glazbagun said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Plus this later one on how they clean the clockface at Big Ben.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj5WSFQgGsw
Sway said:
Frimley111R said:
Ultimately they can say 'If it saves one life/accident' and there's no real argument anyone has to counter that. Will we all be stuck in driverless cars, at 10mph in the future?
Except this position is complete nonsense, and no one involved in H&S would ever put that forward. I'm far from a H&S spod, but have worked closely with plenty of them. Practicality and pragmatism is a hallmark ime.
If it were a case of 'if it saves one life' justifying anything, then life would already be massively different from how it is now.
Sway said:
Can you provide a quote from anyone with that level of power saying "if it just saves one life"?
Should be easy, as it's such a common reference. I'd imagine they're saying it all the time.
They were killed in a freak accident, when they slipped off the toilet and were suffocated by the bouldering fall mat left in case of falls. An inquest said that toilets should only be used if the user was wearing a fall arrester and harness, because if it saves....just one life" Should be easy, as it's such a common reference. I'd imagine they're saying it all the time.
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