EU nations tell the truth about migrants and crime
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EU nations tell the truth about migrants and crime - so why won't Britain?
Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
You also need to look at the demographics. We have an aging indigenous population, thats a lot of people old and not likely to be committing much crime. How does that compare with the age profile of migrants typically? I'd hazard a guess migrants demographically would fall into a 'more likely' set of people through age as much as anything else.
Are the stats adjusted for that, or taking the whole population? Misleading if so.
Are the stats adjusted for that, or taking the whole population? Misleading if so.
Interesting to note that the author offers no analysis of the actual data ... at all. So we cannot conclude anything from it. You might wonder why the author chose to do that. You should wonder.
amongst the obvious unanswered questions is "is he comparing apples with apples?" Are the stats adjusted to make sensible comparisons by age and income? Because surely no one would just look at the arrest rates of the entire immigrant and non-immigrant populations and then divide by the respective total headcounts and expect that to tell them anything?
amongst the obvious unanswered questions is "is he comparing apples with apples?" Are the stats adjusted to make sensible comparisons by age and income? Because surely no one would just look at the arrest rates of the entire immigrant and non-immigrant populations and then divide by the respective total headcounts and expect that to tell them anything?
TonyToniTone said:
EU nations tell the truth about migrants and crime - so why won't Britain?
Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
That fountain of good reporting the DW. I do find when statistics are miss used to support a view a lot of people immediately think it's a got you moment. Very few seem to look at what the statistics do a bit of thinking and say not sure that actually proves what you claim. In this case it should be obvious but you seem to have missed it. I am sure others will as well.Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
phil-sti said:
Would the figures be closer if we took the crime rate for british nationals from deprived and low income backgrounds compared to migrants?
Is it Ok to say those things now? Several Governments ago I remember a minister blaming crime on low pay and poverty..... cue fella from the opposition frothing about how it was wrong and prejudicial to equate low incomes and poverty with crime because it demonised the low payed. I is confused.
andymadmak said:
Is it Ok to say those things now? Several Governments ago I remember a minister blaming crime on low pay and poverty..... cue fella from the opposition frothing about how it was wrong and prejudicial to equate low incomes and poverty with crime because it demonised the low payed.
I is confused.
You is point scoring. I is confused.
I would assume with age, area and economic circumstances taken into account, there wouldn't be much of a divergence compared to natives.
The 1 in 50 Albanians in the UK being in jail is a pretty incredible figure. More so that you have to set fire to the king to get a jail sentence these days.
However since it's from the Telegraph, who have largely left reality long behind, we need to see some verifiable facts to back that claim up.
The 1 in 50 Albanians in the UK being in jail is a pretty incredible figure. More so that you have to set fire to the king to get a jail sentence these days.
However since it's from the Telegraph, who have largely left reality long behind, we need to see some verifiable facts to back that claim up.
TonyToniTone said:
EU nations tell the truth about migrants and crime - so why won't Britain?
Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
That is really shocking, and should be looked into. If the police are arresting 2x as many immigrants as Brits it tends to suggest very strong racism by our police force and this should be looked into, as you're implying with your post. Must be pretty awful to be an immigrant in that situation. Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
z4RRSchris said:
1 in 50 Albanians are in jail. I wonder how many are here illegally, or involved generally in crime / tax evasion.
from my limited experience living in north london i would suspect the number is close to 100%
it's possible the remaining 99% are not registered on the systemfrom my limited experience living in north london i would suspect the number is close to 100%
NRS said:
TonyToniTone said:
EU nations tell the truth about migrants and crime - so why won't Britain?
Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
That is really shocking, and should be looked into. If the police are arresting 2x as many immigrants as Brits it tends to suggest very strong racism by our police force and this should be looked into, as you're implying with your post. Must be pretty awful to be an immigrant in that situation. Extraordinary figures emerged at the weekend. Fresh analysis of police data suggests that foreign nationals are up to twice as likely to be arrested on suspicion of committing crime as Britons.
The arrest rate for foreign nationals averaged 22.2 per 1,000 of their population com- pared with 10.3 per 1,000 for British citizens holding UK passports, according to figures from 26 of the 43 police forces in England and Wales and census data.
It’s the first attempt to compare arrest rates according to people’s nationality and immigration status – because the Government does not publish analysis of crime figures.
The figures are astonishing in themselves, but they are even more shocking given our current political climate. At the Tory party conference last week, leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick claimed that there was an ‘institutional cover-up’ of the truth about the scale of crime migrants commit – and which nationalities are the worst offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1393409...
https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/my-essay-in-the-mail...
Migrants and crime ?
I'm going to suggest that the headline needs to be broken down into two main categories
Legal migration and illegal migration and then further sub divided by nationality
My thoughts are that skilled workers legally migrating to work in the U.K. from many countries will have much lower arrest/conviction rates than the indigenous population ( your Indian Dr/American banker/Malaysian nurse etc )
However those unskilled illegal entrants will have much higher rates of offending and especially so from certain places of origin
My opinion, formed from many years experience, is that the true scale of offending by illegal migrants dwarfs both that of the indigenous/legal migrants by some significant degree
I'm going to suggest that the headline needs to be broken down into two main categories
Legal migration and illegal migration and then further sub divided by nationality
My thoughts are that skilled workers legally migrating to work in the U.K. from many countries will have much lower arrest/conviction rates than the indigenous population ( your Indian Dr/American banker/Malaysian nurse etc )
However those unskilled illegal entrants will have much higher rates of offending and especially so from certain places of origin
My opinion, formed from many years experience, is that the true scale of offending by illegal migrants dwarfs both that of the indigenous/legal migrants by some significant degree
Should the stats be adjusted for age and income? Part of the argument against mass immigration is that bringing in young men from poor countries is likely to increase crime. Anyway, aside from a few women and children fleeing persecution these are meant to be highly qualified professionals? Essential workers, vetted for good character and selected to fill skills shortages. The arrest rate should be virtually zero, not about par for their age and background.
thatsprettyshady said:
Britain doesn't collect this data, for some reason.
Yes IIRC UK stopped counting when Blair started his PM job. Not sure whyhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50420307
Estimates only
thatsprettyshady said:
Britain doesn't collect this data, for some reason.
No legal basis, I'd presume. Citizenship/ immigration status is irrelevant (and arguably prejudicial) until conviction, so you'd struggle to define a legitimate purpose. Imprisonment stats by nationality are published, it's not like there's some big conspiracy. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff