Boy shot on farm

[FMOB]

Saw on the beeb, first thoughts - is this another Tony Martin situation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2y7wyx56o

[98elise]

FMOB said:

Saw on the beeb, first thoughts - is this another Tony Martin situation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2y7wyx56o

It says gross negligence manslaughter so sounds like an accidental shooting.

[Bright Halo]

Tragic beyond words.
His parents have been paying tribute to him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy98nwnzp3o
Yes I did cry reading it.

[The Rotrex Kid]

Very sad.

The brother of an old friend of mine was shot whilst ‘lamping’ many years ago. A truly awful situation and horrendous for the family to go though.

[Jim H]

I’m from Cumbria, and a gun owner. Very sad indeed and very difficult to understand what’s gone on here. It’s early days so far.

I only shoot clays so my shooting discipline is just that. Yet I have hunted and been lamping.

I notice the young lad was from Frizzington, yet the accident happened at Warcop which is a fair distance away - which may suggest a hunt / shoot lamping session of some sort.

I’m speculating here, but due to the young lads age, has he excitedly got in the wrong place at the wrong time? Perhaps maybe shouldn’t have been anywhere near any sort of weapon at that age. But this is a very rural part of the country and it’s part of a way of life.

Ultimately the guy who pulled the trigger?? Beggars belief.

My view is you only ever take a clear and safe shot, whilst considering your background (behind).

Always.

[Gareth79]

Jim H said:

I notice the young lad was from Frizzington, yet the accident happened at Warcop which is a fair distance away - which may suggest a hunt / shoot lamping session of some sort.

It mentions he loved "rabbiting with his dad" and they kept ferrets and lurchers, so must have been doing something hunting related. I wouldn't be surprised if the person with the gun was his grandfather.

It said the incident was at 14:50, so unlikely to be lamping.

Edited by Gareth79 on Sunday 6th October 20:57

[200Plus Club]

Does unfortunately sound like a shotgun discharge perhaps, but whatever its an absolute tragedy that will haunt the poor family and the person who accidentally discharged the gun.

[Jim H]

I was talking to a colleague on Monday, she lives local to the area of those affected. Her husband is a paramedic, he wasn’t on shift on the day of the incident but his colleagues were and attended the scene.

It would appear that the gun initially failed to discharge — then did.

For whatever reason, the barrel was not pointing in a safe direction when it did discharge.

I can’t begin to imagine what that poor family are going through now. Absolute tragedy.

[fourstardan]

Jim H said:

I’m from Cumbria, and a gun owner. Very sad indeed and very difficult to understand what’s gone on here. It’s early days so far.

I only shoot clays so my shooting discipline is just that. Yet I have hunted and been lamping.

I notice the young lad was from Frizzington, yet the accident happened at Warcop which is a fair distance away - which may suggest a hunt / shoot lamping session of some sort.

I’m speculating here, but due to the young lads age, has he excitedly got in the wrong place at the wrong time? Perhaps maybe shouldn’t have been anywhere near any sort of weapon at that age. But this is a very rural part of the country and it’s part of a way of life.

Ultimately the guy who pulled the trigger?? Beggars belief.

My view is you only ever take a clear and safe shot, whilst considering your background (behind).

Always.

That is a massive journey (60 miles), I certainly wouldn't have my son that far away other than in the social care of a relative.

You can read the tributes and blub but when the dust settles there are always deeper social care issues to question here.

[Jim H]

I’m going to choose my words carefully due to the sensitivity of this.

Apparently with a close relative.

Edited by Jim H on Wednesday 9th October 08:05

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Jim H said:

I was talking to a colleague on Monday, she lives local to the area of those affected. Her husband is a paramedic, he wasn’t on shift on the day of the incident but his colleagues were and attended the scene.

It would appear that the gun initially failed to discharge — then did.

For whatever reason, the barrel was not pointing in a safe direction when it did discharge.

I can’t begin to imagine what that poor family are going through now. Absolute tragedy.

I have some experience of a malfunction situation like this. I used to work on several clay pigeon shoots when I were a lad. I was sitting in my little wooden "hutch", firing teal pairs up for the guns on a berm 15m behind me to shoot. One guy closed his gun, tried to shoot but it failed, and then in the process of breaking it and re-closing it both barrels went off, right at the back of my shed. Luckily nothing came through (thanks corrugated steel cladding!), but I st myself nonetheless, and the shooter was almost in tears with what had happened. Club-level investigation, a quick bit of attendace from Military Police (it was on Garrison land) and it was deemed to be a random accident, nothing more, but could have been a lot worse - as this situation appears to demonstrate

[Fish]

I've also seen it happen, gun misfired then after nearly 30 secs held pointing down the stand it just went off. That is why you are supposed to keep barrels pointing ina safe direction and give it 30secs if it si a slow primer. Also when you do break the gun do it away form yourself.

I've also seen a gun discharge when the barrels were closed shooting the ground near to my brother, the gun closed the barrels to the stock rather than the other way round and there must have been a protruding firing pin..

Guns need to be treated with respect.

I can't imagine what the shooter is going through at the moment, horrible.

[NoddyonNitrous]

Fish said:

I've also seen it happen, gun misfired then after nearly 30 secs held pointing down the stand it just went off. That is why you are supposed to keep barrels pointing ina safe direction and give it 30secs if it si a slow primer. Also when you do break the gun do it away form yourself.

I've also seen a gun discharge when the barrels were closed shooting the ground near to my brother, the gun closed the barrels to the stock rather than the other way round and there must have been a protruding firing pin..

Guns need to be treated with respect.

I can't imagine what the shooter is going through at the moment, horrible.

Can you clarify that bit? surely the motion of both bits is the same relative to each other?
(DOI - occasional clay shooter who wants to be as safe as possible)

[Rusty Old-Banger]

NoddyonNitrous said:

Fish said:

I've also seen it happen, gun misfired then after nearly 30 secs held pointing down the stand it just went off. That is why you are supposed to keep barrels pointing ina safe direction and give it 30secs if it si a slow primer. Also when you do break the gun do it away form yourself.

I've also seen a gun discharge when the barrels were closed shooting the ground near to my brother, the gun closed the barrels to the stock rather than the other way round and there must have been a protruding firing pin..

Guns need to be treated with respect.

I can't imagine what the shooter is going through at the moment, horrible.

Can you clarify that bit? surely the motion of both bits is the same relative to each other?
(DOI - occasional clay shooter who wants to be as safe as possible)

The barrels should always point safe (so at the ground), so once you've put the cartridges in, you keep the barrels stationary (pointing low) and move the stock up to close the gun. Never move the barrels to close the gun.

[crofty1984]

Rusty Old-Banger said:

NoddyonNitrous said:

Fish said:

I've also seen it happen, gun misfired then after nearly 30 secs held pointing down the stand it just went off. That is why you are supposed to keep barrels pointing ina safe direction and give it 30secs if it si a slow primer. Also when you do break the gun do it away form yourself.

I've also seen a gun discharge when the barrels were closed shooting the ground near to my brother, the gun closed the barrels to the stock rather than the other way round and there must have been a protruding firing pin..

Guns need to be treated with respect.

I can't imagine what the shooter is going through at the moment, horrible.

Can you clarify that bit? surely the motion of both bits is the same relative to each other?
(DOI - occasional clay shooter who wants to be as safe as possible)

The barrels should always point safe (so at the ground), so once you've put the cartridges in, you keep the barrels stationary (pointing low) and move the stock up to close the gun. Never move the barrels to close the gun.

I wouldn't have thought to do that, but it makes perfect sense.