Labour to launch study into “headlight glare”

Labour to launch study into “headlight glare”

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Southerner

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1,746 posts

59 months

Sunday 15th September
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https://www.aol.co.uk/labour-ahead-study-headlight...

Not a totally unreasonable thing to study, it’s getting a bit daft out there. A decent follow-up would be ridiculously bright LED traffic lights in poorly lit areas, can’t see a bloody thing passing some of them.

ScotHill

3,527 posts

116 months

Sunday 15th September
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So what would the solution be, mandate certain specifications for new cars and for MOTed cars and eventually it will sort itself out?

I often come across cars with stupidly bright headlights, but to be fair it's a tiny percentage of all cars out there, the majority are fine.

Athlon

5,169 posts

213 months

Sunday 15th September
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They need to look into those strobing mega bright bicycle lights as well, they have no pattern so at night coming towards you they are blinding, very dangerous for losing sight of pedestrians etc. I wonder if they can affect people physically as well?

Southerner

Original Poster:

1,746 posts

59 months

Sunday 15th September
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Athlon said:
They need to look into those strobing mega bright bicycle lights as well, they have no pattern so at night coming towards you they are blinding, very dangerous for losing sight of pedestrians etc. I wonder if they can affect people physically as well?
A ban on bikers intentionally dazzling everyone by using main beam day and night would be welcome, too.

4.7AMV8

2,180 posts

173 months

Sunday 15th September
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First cars to check....Tesla's!! Or is it most owners dont know which menu screen the dip icon is on?!

twister

1,496 posts

243 months

Sunday 15th September
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ScotHill said:
So what would the solution be, mandate certain specifications for new cars and for MOTed cars and eventually it will sort itself out?

I often come across cars with stupidly bright headlights, but to be fair it's a tiny percentage of all cars out there, the majority are fine.
I wonder if part of the problem isn't the brightness of the lights themselves, but the way an increasing number of cars now have auto-dip systems of varying degrees of accuracy which drivers are now using as a matter of course?

Because whilst I'd agree that the problem of overly bright dipped headlights probably isn't that serious (other than the usual problems caused by the growing number of taller cars with correspondingly higher mounted headlight units and the effect on those of us who haven't joined the SUV/pickup brigade), there does seem to be a growing number of drivers out there who don't appear to give a crap about blinding other road users with their main beams.

So either they're just all genuinely antisocial tossers who actually *are* driving around with mainbeam manually selected at all times, or there's a problem with how reliably auto-dip systems respond in the presence of other road users... Whatever the reason though, I'd say it has probably now reached the point at which it can't be ignored by TPTB.

JagLover

43,783 posts

242 months

Sunday 15th September
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Athlon said:
They need to look into those strobing mega bright bicycle lights as well, they have no pattern so at night coming towards you they are blinding, very dangerous for losing sight of pedestrians etc. I wonder if they can affect people physically as well?
Yes. These seem to be tilted higher as well.

Steve vRS

5,039 posts

248 months

Sunday 15th September
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JagLover said:
Athlon said:
They need to look into those strobing mega bright bicycle lights as well, they have no pattern so at night coming towards you they are blinding, very dangerous for losing sight of pedestrians etc. I wonder if they can affect people physically as well?
Yes. These seem to be tilted higher as well.
That's up to the user how they are tilted. I always have mine pointed down as I don't want to dazzle anyone and at night, I like to see where the potholes are!

Also, compared to car headlights, they aren't that bright and drivers soon complain about not being able to see cyclists...

Finally, they aren't strobe lights. I can't be bothered searching but the frequency of flashing to set off fits etc. is a lot higher than the flashing rate of most lights I have seen.

Back on the topic though, what are they going to do if they determine that car headlights are too bright? Change the regs regarding their construction? So UK cars will need to have another change before they can be sold here compared to the rest of the world? It's not going to happen.

Gareth79

8,039 posts

253 months

Sunday 15th September
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One problem would be that the headlights are currently accepted under EU type approval (and probably other approvals around the world) and if the UK decided to impose separate rules then the vehicles would need to be further customised for our market.

twister said:
ScotHill said:
So what would the solution be, mandate certain specifications for new cars and for MOTed cars and eventually it will sort itself out?
I often come across cars with stupidly bright headlights, but to be fair it's a tiny percentage of all cars out there, the majority are fine.
I don't think it would be practical to test much more at an MOT than is already tested. Brightness would need some fairly expensive/advanced kit.

twister said:
I wonder if part of the problem isn't the brightness of the lights themselves, but the way an increasing number of cars now have auto-dip systems of varying degrees of accuracy which drivers are now using as a matter of course?
The worst examples I've seen do look seem to have been stty self-levelling, either where the levelling is broken and the (very bright) dipped beam is pointing at my mirrors, or it's adjusting the beam up and down as the car travels over bumps so you get blinded off and on.

EddieSteadyGo

13,156 posts

210 months

Sunday 15th September
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4.7AMV8 said:
First cars to check....Tesla's!! Or is it most owners dont know which menu screen the dip icon is on?!
The car does high-beam/low-beam automatically.

Admittedly, their software up until recently wasn't that good regarding this feature, so it would leave high-beam on too long in some situations. However, they have now recently activated matrix-led functionality on most of their cars, including the older ones, and it seems to work much better.

catso

14,853 posts

274 months

Sunday 15th September
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ScotHill said:
So what would the solution be
I'll hazard a guess that some kind of 'glare-camera' that could automatically issue fines to bright lighted drivers would be the preferred option...

Steve vRS

5,039 posts

248 months

Sunday 15th September
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EddieSteadyGo said:
The car does high-beam/low-beam automatically.

Admittedly, their software up until recently wasn't that good regarding this feature, so it would leave high-beam on too long in some situations. However, they have now recently activated matrix-led functionality on most of their cars, including the older ones, and it seems to work much better.
My car (current model Octavia vRS) has high beam assist and it is rubbish - I wish I could turn it off easily. It either takes an age to turn them on and then leaves them on when a car 'surprises' it by coming around a corner.

Blue62

9,381 posts

159 months

Sunday 15th September
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Another issue is the auto bill beam function, I have it on two of my cars and it’s very hit and miss, sometimes not dipping when it should. I don’t engage it any more.

vixen1700

24,179 posts

277 months

Sunday 15th September
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Must admit it does seem ridiculous these days, the brightness is unreal.

Find myself driving with my prescription shades on at night these days just to make it bearable.

119

9,572 posts

43 months

Sunday 15th September
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Steve vRS said:
My car (current model Octavia vRS) has high beam assist and it is rubbish - I wish I could turn it off easily. It either takes an age to turn them on and then leaves them on when a car 'surprises' it by coming around a corner.
i think if you put the headlight on manually, via the switch, auto high beam is also disabled.


Steve vRS

5,039 posts

248 months

Sunday 15th September
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119 said:
Steve vRS said:
My car (current model Octavia vRS) has high beam assist and it is rubbish - I wish I could turn it off easily. It either takes an age to turn them on and then leaves them on when a car 'surprises' it by coming around a corner.
i think if you put the headlight on manually, via the switch, auto high beam is also disabled.
Thanks. I’ll try that.

gazza285

10,186 posts

215 months

Sunday 15th September
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Auto beams in my XC60 are fantastic, but I’ll turn them off in my van, as they are dreadfully slow to react, if they do at all.

As for motorcycles, bicycles, and runner’s head torches, there’s only so much you can expect due to the range of movement.

gotoPzero

18,177 posts

196 months

Sunday 15th September
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Most newer Teslas now have their matrix LEDs activated.

Means high beam remains on but they turn off some LEDs to shadow oncoming cars.


Se7enheaven

1,784 posts

171 months

Sunday 15th September
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Can’t wait for this issue to be properly addressed. It’s an absolute misery driving during darkness. How the majority of vehicles have been passed fit for the road beggars belief. Teslas, Mini’s , Audi’s , Ford Rangers ( particularly bad ) , Range Rovers , the list goes on.
Main issue seems to be that before these LED’s came about headlights were more directional and shone towards the left. This no longer seems to be the case as the lights just shine directly at you in a total wall of light. It’s fking dangerous to put it mildly.

andy43

10,592 posts

261 months

Sunday 15th September
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The number of SUVs with high up headlights purely for designs sake doesn’t help.
How many millions will this illuminating piece of research cost us?