Liquids at airports - what is the justification?
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I've just been reading that plans to get rid of the 100ml containers on a clear plastic bag rule have been rolled back, but that just got me wondering why on earth the restriction exists in the first place?
I get that it's allegedly for security, but even if that's valid, what is to stop me taking up to ten 100ml bottles through then buying a litre of something in duty free, heading into a toilet cubicle, draining the big bottle and decanting my little bottles into it?
Surely the only logical restriction would be bottles no bigger than the biggest bottle you can buy airside?
I get that it's allegedly for security, but even if that's valid, what is to stop me taking up to ten 100ml bottles through then buying a litre of something in duty free, heading into a toilet cubicle, draining the big bottle and decanting my little bottles into it?
Surely the only logical restriction would be bottles no bigger than the biggest bottle you can buy airside?
It was introduced after 9/11 because everyone was terrified of explosives, amd 100ml was decided to be a low enough volume so as not to represent a significant threat. If you'd tried to take ten 100ml bottles through, you'd have been stopped.
New tech has been introduced recently which enables x-ray machines to scan liquids of more than 100ml (and also laptops whilst still in their bags) but, surprisingly, that tech doesn't work very well, so the 100ml limit has been 'temporarily' reintroduced until the bugs have been ironed out.
New tech has been introduced recently which enables x-ray machines to scan liquids of more than 100ml (and also laptops whilst still in their bags) but, surprisingly, that tech doesn't work very well, so the 100ml limit has been 'temporarily' reintroduced until the bugs have been ironed out.
Doofus said:
It was introduced after 9/11 because everyone was terrified of explosives, amd 100ml was decided to be a low enough volume so as not to represent a significant threat. If you'd tried to take ten 100ml bottles through, you'd have been stopped.
New tech has been introduced recently which enables x-ray machines to scan liquids of more than 100ml (and also laptops whilst still in their bags) but, surprisingly, that tech doesn't work very well, so the 100ml limit has been 'temporarily' reintroduced until the bugs have been ironed out.
Not quite, it was this;New tech has been introduced recently which enables x-ray machines to scan liquids of more than 100ml (and also laptops whilst still in their bags) but, surprisingly, that tech doesn't work very well, so the 100ml limit has been 'temporarily' reintroduced until the bugs have been ironed out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic...
Kermit power said:
I've just been reading that plans to get rid of the 100ml containers on a clear plastic bag rule have been rolled back, but that just got me wondering why on earth the restriction exists in the first place?
I get that it's allegedly for security, but even if that's valid, what is to stop me taking up to ten 100ml bottles through then buying a litre of something in duty free, heading into a toilet cubicle, draining the big bottle and decanting my little bottles into it?
Surely the only logical restriction would be bottles no bigger than the biggest bottle you can buy airside?
Have you not flown for the last 18yrs I get that it's allegedly for security, but even if that's valid, what is to stop me taking up to ten 100ml bottles through then buying a litre of something in duty free, heading into a toilet cubicle, draining the big bottle and decanting my little bottles into it?
Surely the only logical restriction would be bottles no bigger than the biggest bottle you can buy airside?
You get a single small, see through bag to put your <= 100ml liquids in. And it needs to be able to close using the resealable bag top.
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
Leptons said:
Doofus said:
It was introduced after 9/11 because everyone was terrified of explosives, amd 100ml was decided to be a low enough volume so as not to represent a significant threat. If you'd tried to take ten 100ml bottles through, you'd have been stopped.
New tech has been introduced recently which enables x-ray machines to scan liquids of more than 100ml (and also laptops whilst still in their bags) but, surprisingly, that tech doesn't work very well, so the 100ml limit has been 'temporarily' reintroduced until the bugs have been ironed out.
Not quite, it was this;New tech has been introduced recently which enables x-ray machines to scan liquids of more than 100ml (and also laptops whilst still in their bags) but, surprisingly, that tech doesn't work very well, so the 100ml limit has been 'temporarily' reintroduced until the bugs have been ironed out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic...
Sway said:
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
No restrictions on liquid in hold luggage.It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
MBBlat said:
Sway said:
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
No restrictions on liquid in hold luggage.It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
I'd also expect a thermos filled with liquid to be inspected, regardless of what bag it was put in!
Oddly, one exception to the 100ml rule in domestic US flights is transporting corals. Give the TSA pre notification, and you can rock up and take whatever you want through as long as the coral is visibly alive in the liquid.
Dingu said:
So you want more restrictions OP?
How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion from what I wrote? 
If there are going to be restrictions, I just want them to be logical!
Limiting passengers to just one single 100ml bottle would be logical. It would also be bloody annoying, but it would at least be logical.
Likewise, limiting passengers to a litre or whatever is the largest bottle you can purchase air side would be logical.
Limiting passengers to as many 100ml bottles as they can fit in their clear plastic bag is only logical if you believe that the thought of having to decant those smaller bottles into a larger one they purchase in Duty Free is enough to deter a terrorist!
Kermit power said:
How on earth do you arrive at that conclusion from what I wrote?
If there are going to be restrictions, I just want them to be logical!
Limiting passengers to just one single 100ml bottle would be logical. It would also be bloody annoying, but it would at least be logical.
Likewise, limiting passengers to a litre or whatever is the largest bottle you can purchase air side would be logical.
Limiting passengers to as many 100ml bottles as they can fit in their clear plastic bag is only logical if you believe that the thought of having to decant those smaller bottles into a larger one they purchase in Duty Free is enough to deter a terrorist!
Go get hold of a plastic bag the size you are offered and see how much you can fit in it. It's not a massive amount. And the chances you being able to bring enough liquid explosives through to cause mischief are pretty slim I would think. (Have a go at that too - please video what damage you can do to a shed with the amount you can ziploc into a small bag If there are going to be restrictions, I just want them to be logical!
Limiting passengers to just one single 100ml bottle would be logical. It would also be bloody annoying, but it would at least be logical.
Likewise, limiting passengers to a litre or whatever is the largest bottle you can purchase air side would be logical.
Limiting passengers to as many 100ml bottles as they can fit in their clear plastic bag is only logical if you believe that the thought of having to decant those smaller bottles into a larger one they purchase in Duty Free is enough to deter a terrorist!
).The rules have been in place for nearly 2 decades. I'm quite surprised anyone who has flown more than a couple of times in that time isn't aware. Equally one would imagine that some thought on the level of strictures was applied at the time
Try and take more through security and you do get challenged. And when travelling with kids' food, you get challenged too. One of the benefits of my kids now being older is not having to taste test the stuff we were taking through for them (though the gin and vodka was often welcome ahead of a long flight
).Sway said:
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
I have been out of the coral game for a while now but are we talking sps coral? if so 100mm of water would be no issue at all for a tiny frag. It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
m3jappa said:
Sway said:
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
I have been out of the coral game for a while now but are we talking sps coral? if so 100mm of water would be no issue at all for a tiny frag. It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
Murph7355 said:
Mabbs9 said:
Not many countries have this restriction. So you can usually bring a larger volume of liquid into the UK.
Really?How many airlines don't enforce it?
Sway said:
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
Could it have been carried by a swallow? It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
Sway said:
m3jappa said:
Sway said:
The crazy thing, is since the ban came into force I'm aware of some specific captive propagated coral strains that have entered the UK/EU from the US.
It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
I have been out of the coral game for a while now but are we talking sps coral? if so 100mm of water would be no issue at all for a tiny frag. It's impossible to legally ship them from US to Europe. The only way would have been in a thermos flask with a fair bit more than 100ml of saltwater.
As someone who's got a decent grasp of international logistics, I cannot figure out how it was achieved!
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