2nd / 3rd Generation Immigrants - debate
Discussion
On the "Riots" thread it was suggested that 2nd / 3rd generation people born in the UK from immigrant parents/grandparents are part of the reason why people are protesting, and some are rioting and committing violent crimes.
I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
s1962a said:
On the "Riots" thread it was suggested that 2nd / 3rd generation people born in the UK from immigrant parents/grandparents are part of the reason why people are protesting, and some are rioting and committing violent crimes.
I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
I doubt it. More likely their are divides I'm society and they are getting bigger. Rich Poor, Muslim / non Muslim, Educated non Educated etc. People are attracted to similar things so group together an exclude others just way it is.I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
s1962a said:
On the "Riots" thread it was suggested that 2nd / 3rd generation people born in the UK from immigrant parents/grandparents are part of the reason why people are protesting, and some are rioting and committing violent crimes.
I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
I think its a tiny minority. My other half is brown (her words, not mine!) and she says she hasn't suffered any kind of abuse in years. She got a bit of snobbery and muttering from some women 40+ years ago in the north west, but she hasn't noticed anything since, and I've never witnessed anything when we are out together. She has the view that some people just go looking to find offence. I can't comment on that!I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
If I had to hypothesise, I think its less about skin colour these days, and more about perceptions of willingness to integrate into wider society. That society is a big melting pot these days, all sorts of races creeds and colours, and gloriously so. But it's clear that some folk just don't want to join in with wider society, preferring instead to shun it, and it's also clear that some folk hold views that wider society struggle to tolerate.
That much can be true of white folks, brown folks, black folks and sky blue purple with red spots folks.
Example: When you're confronted with people celebrating 9/11 its not difficult to understand the anger and suspicion and even hatred (in some cases) that those people can generate. I use 9/11 as an example because we had a major incident in my office on that day, when a section of my software dev team were dancing laughing and celebrating as the towers were burning and collapsing and people were leaping to their deaths. The celebrators were from Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage. One software engineer in particular was so incensed by the celebrations that he had to be physically restrained from attacking those "f'ing
bds". He took some stopping, I can tell you. Mind you he was Sikh, and built like the proverbial brick outhouse.. s1962a said:
On the "Riots" thread it was suggested that 2nd / 3rd generation people born in the UK from immigrant parents/grandparents are part of the reason why people are protesting, and some are rioting and committing violent crimes.
I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
I doubt it. I find it hard to believe that this is in anything other than a very small minority view, but opening up the debate on whether you think it's an issue or not, and how prevalent it is in your circles.
This YouGuv poll seems to suggest those with extremist views like this are a minority.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-p...
The left and the corporate media are trying to paint it as a race thing so they can shut it down. In reality it is just about numbers. Too many, too fast. That's it.
Mortarboard said:
ingenieur said:
I doubt it.
The left and the corporate media are trying to paint it as a race thing so they can shut it down. In reality it is just about numbers. Too many, too fast. That's it.
If it's 2nd and 3rd generation that's the target, then it I'd by definition racist.The left and the corporate media are trying to paint it as a race thing so they can shut it down. In reality it is just about numbers. Too many, too fast. That's it.
M.
ingenieur said:
Depends whether you see "the riots" as people selectively targeting specific groups based on race or if you think it's people smashing things up as a public demonstration of their dissatisfaction with the failure of our political class to get a grip.
"Get a grip" on what, exactly?Recent arrivals - immigration
2nd 3rd generation- racism
If you're unhappy with the government, you can (a) vote and (b) lobby your representative.
M.
Mortarboard said:
ingenieur said:
Depends whether you see "the riots" as people selectively targeting specific groups based on race or if you think it's people smashing things up as a public demonstration of their dissatisfaction with the failure of our political class to get a grip.
"Get a grip" on what, exactly?Recent arrivals - immigration
2nd 3rd generation- racism
If you're unhappy with the government, you can (a) vote and (b) lobby your representative.
M.
Killboy said:
What about immigrants that are descendents of British Colonisers?
What about immigrants descended from British emigrants?A.K.A why do I get a free pass when a British Asian who's family has been here since before my granddad left doesn't
Oh, it's becuz I iz white. We all know it, despite what excuses the usual suspects throw up.
Edited by captain_cynic on Friday 9th August 16:59
It looks like this is a non issue then. It got brought up on the riots thread so I thought we could discuss it, but there hasn't been anything forcoming about this being an actual issue, so we can disregard it as something a very small minority believe in, and they aren't on PH anyway.
s1962a said:
It looks like this is a non issue then. It got brought up on the riots thread so I thought we could discuss it, but there hasn't been anything forcoming about this being an actual issue, so we can disregard it as something a very small minority believe in, and they aren't on PH anyway.
Nobody is going to admit it, but you think when Tommy Robinson and his fellow travellers are banging on about Muslims they're only thinking of new arrivals?ingenieur said:
Depends whether you see "the riots" as people selectively targeting specific groups based on race or if you think it's people smashing things up as a public demonstration of their dissatisfaction with the failure of our political class to get a grip.
Targetting mosques and asian businesses, attacking people who are brown, shouting "Who the fk is Allah"......that sounds pretty much like they're targetting specific groups to me.
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