Concerts future at risk?

[sparta6]

With the tragic Manchester bombings and now Taylor Swift are we going to see more concert threats across Europe and UK ? Are Governments doing enough to prevent these terrorist acts ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31zxqypxpo

[vaud]

sparta6 said:

Are Governments doing enough to prevent these terrorist acts ?

"Due to confirmation by government officials of a planned terrorist attack at the Ernst Happel Stadium, we have no choice but to cancel the three planned shows for everyone's safety."

Isn't that action by the Govt the definition of protecting people for their safety?

[J4CKO]

vaud said:

sparta6 said:

Are Governments doing enough to prevent these terrorist acts ?

"Due to confirmation by government officials of a planned terrorist attack at the Ernst Happel Stadium, we have no choice but to cancel the three planned shows for everyone's safety."

Isn't that action by the Govt the definition of protecting people for their safety?

I suspect without everyone hiding in their houses and not going to any events.

A lot is done, stuff we never hear about and cant comprehend, we have the usual Islamists, now Russia, China, NK, Iran etc, all the miserable dictatorships who think the west is what is stopping them being all happy, when in reality its their own horrible regimes.

[sparta6]

J4CKO said:

vaud said:

sparta6 said:

Are Governments doing enough to prevent these terrorist acts ?

"Due to confirmation by government officials of a planned terrorist attack at the Ernst Happel Stadium, we have no choice but to cancel the three planned shows for everyone's safety."

Isn't that action by the Govt the definition of protecting people for their safety?

I suspect without everyone hiding in their houses and not going to any events.

A lot is done, stuff we never hear about and cant comprehend, we have the usual Islamists, now Russia, China, NK, Iran etc, all the miserable dictatorships who think the west is what is stopping them being all happy, when in reality its their own horrible regimes.

Well yes. Also the perceived risk in addition to actuality (Manchester) means insurance premiums will increase and event promoters will inevitably pass the cost hike onto ticket prices. Then you add increased security staff costs at venues.
It's possible many live music fans will get priced out in the not too distant...

[skwdenyer]

sparta6 said:

Well yes. Also the perceived risk in addition to actuality (Manchester) means insurance premiums will increase and event promoters will inevitably pass the cost hike onto ticket prices. Then you add increased security staff costs at venues.
It's possible many live music fans will get priced out in the not too distant...

I'm sure the likes of Taylor Swift could lower the amount of money they suck back to the USA to ensure concerts remain somewhat affordable...

[119]

skwdenyer said:

sparta6 said:

Well yes. Also the perceived risk in addition to actuality (Manchester) means insurance premiums will increase and event promoters will inevitably pass the cost hike onto ticket prices. Then you add increased security staff costs at venues.
It's possible many live music fans will get priced out in the not too distant...

I'm sure the likes of Taylor Swift could lower the amount of money they suck back to the USA to ensure concerts remain somewhat affordable...

Yeah of course she wont.

[fiatpower]

I dare say there are many many other acts of terrorism planned at music venues, shops, other entertainment venues etc which we will never hear about as they have been stopped by government agencies so i'd say yes they are doing a good job at stopping them. Maybe more could be done to prevent someone from getting to the stage of planning them out though.

[Challo]

sparta6 said:

With the tragic Manchester bombings and now Taylor Swift are we going to see more concert threats across Europe and UK ? Are Governments doing enough to prevent these terrorist acts ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce31zxqypxpo

No. Concerts carried on after the Manchester Bombings, festivals continue. As mentioned the work done to stop terror related crimes will continue, and most of the time we never know about it.

They made the right decision with the upcoming concerts in Vienna, but I doubt this will stop any more from happening.

[Challo]

skwdenyer said:

sparta6 said:

Well yes. Also the perceived risk in addition to actuality (Manchester) means insurance premiums will increase and event promoters will inevitably pass the cost hike onto ticket prices. Then you add increased security staff costs at venues.
It's possible many live music fans will get priced out in the not too distant...

I'm sure the likes of Taylor Swift could lower the amount of money they suck back to the USA to ensure concerts remain somewhat affordable...

Music gigs have got expensive, they cost alot to put on, and i would presume a good chunk of money is also sucked up by promotors, venues etc.

My mate took his two daughters to see Taylor Swift in London and managed to get a normal ticket for 40-50 each.

[gregs656]

No.

[swisstoni]

skwdenyer said:

sparta6 said:

Well yes. Also the perceived risk in addition to actuality (Manchester) means insurance premiums will increase and event promoters will inevitably pass the cost hike onto ticket prices. Then you add increased security staff costs at venues.
It's possible many live music fans will get priced out in the not too distant...

I'm sure the likes of Taylor Swift could lower the amount of money they suck back to the USA to ensure concerts remain somewhat affordable...

Brilliant.

[skwdenyer]

Challo said:

skwdenyer said:

sparta6 said:

Well yes. Also the perceived risk in addition to actuality (Manchester) means insurance premiums will increase and event promoters will inevitably pass the cost hike onto ticket prices. Then you add increased security staff costs at venues.
It's possible many live music fans will get priced out in the not too distant...

I'm sure the likes of Taylor Swift could lower the amount of money they suck back to the USA to ensure concerts remain somewhat affordable...

Music gigs have got expensive, they cost alot to put on, and i would presume a good chunk of money is also sucked up by promotors, venues etc.

My mate took his two daughters to see Taylor Swift in London and managed to get a normal ticket for 40-50 each.

BBC's excellent More Or Less podcast did a piece on "Swiftonomics." Barclays Bank (stupidly) put out a release stating her UK tour would provide the UK economy with a boost of almost £1bn, and the media picked this up and ran with it.

Unfortunately - it won't surprise you to know - that was nonsense. First, there's no new money to the UK economy when UK fans go to concerts - it just redistributes cash into the pockets of promoters, venues, technicians, souvenir vendors, etc. that would have been spent elsewhere anyway. There might be a little bit of tourism to visit concerts, but less likely given a European tour.

But second, the biggest business that benefits is "Taylor Swift Inc" - most of the money spent by Britons will benefit the UK, resulting a very significant "invisible" money export effect. She makes somewhere between £13m and £20m per show - so across 4 concerts in the UK that's £52-80m. On top of that there are considerable boosts to her online sales, licensing fees from merchandise vendors, and so on.

If it cost £1m per show to put on gold-plated security (it wouldn't), it would barely impact on her bottom line if she swallowed the cost. Which, I agree, she probably won't.

[swisstoni]

Quite something that you would put the blame on Swift for not having enough insurance or security rather than the real cause.

[crankedup5]

fiatpower said:

I dare say there are many many other acts of terrorism planned at music venues, shops, other entertainment venues etc which we will never hear about as they have been stopped by government agencies so i'd say yes they are doing a good job at stopping them. Maybe more could be done to prevent someone from getting to the stage of planning them out though.

Indeed, but as the old statement tells us ‘ they need only be lucky once’. All we can do is entrust our safety to those that spend their working lives doing their best to protect us.

[Southerner]

It is indeed an eye watering amount of money being made. Given her current popularity (and profitability) I had wondered if she might have donated something to good causes in Southport, or perhaps funded a memorial, or something. Not that she is in any way obliged to, of course; but it would have been rather nice gesture and of course good PR (not that she needs it).

Anyway…

[J6542]

Southerner said:

It is indeed an eye watering amount of money being made. Given her current popularity (and profitability) I had wondered if she might have donated something to good causes in Southport, or perhaps funded a memorial, or something. Not that she is in any way obliged to, of course; but it would have been rather nice gesture and of course good PR (not that she needs it).

Anyway…

She donates hundreds of thousands to food banks in every city she plays. She probably will announce something for kids caught up in the Southport attack. Once the kids have recovered and the families have grieved

[Southerner]

J6542 said:

Southerner said:

It is indeed an eye watering amount of money being made. Given her current popularity (and profitability) I had wondered if she might have donated something to good causes in Southport, or perhaps funded a memorial, or something. Not that she is in any way obliged to, of course; but it would have been rather nice gesture and of course good PR (not that she needs it).

Anyway…

She donates hundreds of thousands to food banks in every city she plays. She probably will announce something for kids caught up in the Southport attack. Once the kids have recovered and the families have grieved

I hope so, it’d be a lovely gesture.

Wasn’t aware of the foodbanks donations; good on her.

[clockworks]

Aren't concerts expensive these days because the acts/artists have to make their money from them?

I'm pretty sure that, back in the day, gigs and concerts were done to promote record sales, often at a loss. The real money was from flogging the records, which isn't the really the case now with streaming.

[dandarez]

clockworks said:

Aren't concerts expensive these days because the acts/artists have to make their money from them?

I'm pretty sure that, back in the day, gigs and concerts were done to promote record sales, often at a loss. The real money was from flogging the records, which isn't the really the case now with streaming.

Yeah, you're right. I'll take you back to the 26th to the 30th August 1970.
Wed 26th & Thurs 27th were 'Free entry'.
Fri 28th Sat 29th & Sun 30th cost just 3 quid.

For what, some country bumpkin band in a field?
Nah, the Isle of Wight Festival, with many acts from the USA, and where something approaching 3/4 million people attended.

How much is Glasto these days?

[ninepoint2]

dandarez said:

clockworks said:

Aren't concerts expensive these days because the acts/artists have to make their money from them?

I'm pretty sure that, back in the day, gigs and concerts were done to promote record sales, often at a loss. The real money was from flogging the records, which isn't the really the case now with streaming.

Yeah, you're right. I'll take you back to the 26th to the 30th August 1970.
Wed 26th & Thurs 27th were 'Free entry'.
Fri 28th Sat 29th & Sun 30th cost just 3 quid.

For what, some country bumpkin band in a field?
Nah, the Isle of Wight Festival, with many acts from the USA, and where something approaching 3/4 million people attended.

How much is Glasto these days?

That's an impressive line up, however when I started working in the 70's my take home was £6 a week, so half a weeks wage for that ticket