Four dead in crash

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shed driver

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167 months

Sunday 21st July
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Sadly four people dead in Gloucestershire.

BBC News - Four dead after car crashes into tree
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c849keyyzkeo

SD.

G-wiz

2,582 posts

33 months

Monday 22nd July
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Gareth79

8,039 posts

253 months

Monday 22nd July
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G-wiz said:
I saw a drone shot of the car on Twitter, it was burnt-out and looks like the bike hit pretty much head-on.

J4CKO

42,824 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd July
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Gareth79 said:
G-wiz said:
I saw a drone shot of the car on Twitter, it was burnt-out and looks like the bike hit pretty much head-on.
Not assuming anything here but I think a lot of bikers thinking they cant do anyone in a car any harm, and obviously the burden of risk if with those without a metal box round them but its still a 200 kilo machine that is capable of high speeds with a person on top, can still cause a lot of damage.

Absolutely horrific.

Crumpet

4,060 posts

187 months

Monday 22nd July
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J4CKO said:
Not assuming anything here but I think a lot of bikers thinking they cant do anyone in a car any harm, and obviously the burden of risk if with those without a metal box round them but its still a 200 kilo machine that is capable of high speeds with a person on top, can still cause a lot of damage.

Absolutely horrific.
I’m a mile away or so from this and my heart sank when I read the story - it’s really made me think this morning and I felt absolutely gutted. Terrible incident for all involved.

It is, however, an odd place to crash as the road is relatively wide and straight at that point. Shouldn’t speculate, I know, but in the area there’s a worrying number of tracksuit wearing (rather than leathers) young lads on L plated motorbikes flying around doing all manner of silly things; I was passed in a 30 the other day like I was standing still.

It did make me wonder, though. In a head on collision between a bike and car, would an SUV potentially come off worse because of the increased risk of the rider coming through the windscreen?

otolith

59,075 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd July
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I've seen the aftermath of a head on between a bike and a VW Golf. Made a hell of a mess of the car. Biker was on the ground surrounded by paramedics a long way behind the car. Woman and baby were standing by the car. Don't know what the outcome was.

Simbu

1,841 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd July
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G-wiz said:
This one's made me feel a bit sick. An absolutely horrific outcome.

We have two daughters. And a Focus. Made for hard reading.

The Wookie

14,040 posts

235 months

Monday 22nd July
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Crumpet said:
I’m a mile away or so from this and my heart sank when I read the story - it’s really made me think this morning and I felt absolutely gutted. Terrible incident for all involved.

It is, however, an odd place to crash as the road is relatively wide and straight at that point.
One photo I saw made it look as if it had happened around a blind crest. Maybe the bike doing a big speed multi-car overtake and the Focus emerged from the dip in the road?

It certainly looked like the debris of the bike was spread over quite a large distance, can't help but think it was seriously travelling.

Whatever happened though it's as awful as it is horrific. Also feel sorry for anyone that had to witness or even worse deal with the aftermath

Sheets Tabuer

19,647 posts

222 months

Monday 22nd July
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Simbu said:
G-wiz said:
This one's made me feel a bit sick. An absolutely horrific outcome.

We have two daughters. And a Focus. Made for hard reading.
I just can't comprehend visualising the moment that poor little girl is told all her family are dead.

Just horrific.

MBVitoria

2,505 posts

230 months

Monday 22nd July
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I won't post it but a photo of the Ford Focus is now online. It sent a shiver down my spine looking at it. Absolutely horrendous.

I can't even begin to imagine how the surviving young lady is feeling right now.

Gareth79

8,039 posts

253 months

Monday 22nd July
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otolith said:
I've seen the aftermath of a head on between a bike and a VW Golf. Made a hell of a mess of the car. Biker was on the ground surrounded by paramedics a long way behind the car. Woman and baby were standing by the car. Don't know what the outcome was.
When I was about 16 I was about second on the scene of a crash where a car pulled out of a blind junction into the path of a motorbike. I think it was a VW Polo, the biker hit the B pillar and it bend completely inwards, and the driver had a broken pelvis or legs or something. The rider went over the top and landed quite some distance away, clearly died instantly due to the large amount of blood coming from their very damaged helmet. A friend arrived shortly after I did and attempted CPR, which was kinda fruitless but they were the type of person to give it a go.

The coroner put a fair amount of blame on the rider for "excessive speed" because the police calculated the bike's speed at 76mph (in a 60 limit, now 40) although I doubt it would have been any different. The rider's widow mounted a short campaign against the inquest's result, including flying a small tethered blimp from their house in Cosham.

Sargeant Orange

2,813 posts

154 months

Monday 22nd July
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I cannot believe the damage to the Focus, the impact must have been huge

otolith

59,075 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd July
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Gareth79 said:
When I was about 16 I was about second on the scene of a crash where a car pulled out of a blind junction into the path of a motorbike. I think it was a VW Polo, the biker hit the B pillar and it bend completely inwards, and the driver had a broken pelvis or legs or something. The rider went over the top and landed quite some distance away, clearly died instantly due to the large amount of blood coming from their very damaged helmet. A friend arrived shortly after I did and attempted CPR, which was kinda fruitless but they were the type of person to give it a go.

The coroner put a fair amount of blame on the rider for "excessive speed" because the police calculated the bike's speed at 76mph (in a 60 limit, now 40) although I doubt it would have been any different. The rider's widow mounted a short campaign against the inquest's result, including flying a small tethered blimp from their house in Cosham.
This was early on a Sunday morning on the road from Grasmere to Ambleside. Golf was in its own lane with the front completely stoved in on the approach to what was a left hand bend for the biker - looked like he had overcooked it, run wide, and gone straight into her.

The road where the six people died appears to be a 50 limit.

The Wookie

14,040 posts

235 months

Monday 22nd July
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Gareth79 said:
When I was about 16 I was about second on the scene of a crash where a car pulled out of a blind junction into the path of a motorbike. I think it was a VW Polo, the biker hit the B pillar and it bend completely inwards, and the driver had a broken pelvis or legs or something.
The local police forensics/collision investigation unit look to have taken the unit across the road from one of our factory buildings. The yard makes for some grim viewing in general but it has to be said cars with (what looks like) bike impact damage subjectively seem very over represented. The cars are also often surprisingly badly damaged themselves.

It's pretty sobering.

Crumpet

4,060 posts

187 months

Monday 22nd July
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otolith said:
The road where the six people died appears to be a 50 limit.
It is, and previously dropped from a NSL.

It’s quite a dangerous road despite being relatively straight, mainly because there are so many side roads. They even had a trial of those cat’s eyes that are self illuminating - they were quite cool but they got rid of them. But the bit where they crashed was one of the straightest, best sighted parts, despite the slight crest and bend that a previous poster mentioned.

You do often get stuck behind someone dawdling at 30mph and it is quite frustrating, it would be very possible that one of them was going for an overtake. I’ll definitely be going a bit slower down there from now on. Not that I drive stupidly or anything, but for some reason it’s a road that encourages you to drive quicker than you should, possibly through familiarity.

oobster

7,246 posts

218 months

Monday 22nd July
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Sargeant Orange said:
I cannot believe the damage to the Focus, the impact must have been huge
Just seen the overhead image on the Metro website. The intrusion into the off-side front of the Focus is absolutely massive, and then a post-impact fire. Horrible.

Master Bean

4,010 posts

127 months

Monday 22nd July
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Four presumably young people late at night in a small hatchback. It's so predictable but it's been happening forever and will continue to.

G-wiz

2,582 posts

33 months

Monday 22nd July
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Serious question..........why don't motorcycles have seatbelts?

Sheets Tabuer

19,647 posts

222 months

Monday 22nd July
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G-wiz said:
Serious question..........why don't motorcycles have seatbelts?
You've never had a bike have you?

otolith

59,075 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd July
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G-wiz said:
Serious question..........why don't motorcycles have seatbelts?
What would you see as the advantage of that?