Keir Starmer's Poor Parents

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Oliver Hardy

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3,001 posts

81 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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I have brought this up several times in other threads and not got an answer, do forgive me for creating a thread of its own.

However as he often points out his father was a toolmaker while his mother a nurse, both were skilled jobs, toolmakers were really well paid.

Oxton where Starmer loved as a child is a really nice place, not exactly Tower Hamlets?

Why was his parents paupers?

Defcon5

6,304 posts

198 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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I imagine they weren’t, he just likes to make out he is ‘just like us’.


119

9,590 posts

43 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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I am sure his old man was involved in manufacturing.

Tools or something i think?

P-Jay

10,797 posts

198 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.

Challo

10,838 posts

162 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Oliver Hardy said:
I have brought this up several times in other threads and not got an answer, do forgive me for creating a thread of its own.

However as he often points out his father was a toolmaker while his mother a nurse, both were skilled jobs, toolmakers were really well paid.

Oxton where Starmer loved as a child is a really nice place, not exactly Tower Hamlets?

Why was his parents paupers?
Didn't his mum have Stills Disease from a young age, so while she was technically a nurse I suspect alot of the time was wasn't able to work and therefore a one parent income family?

Zetec-S

6,261 posts

100 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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P-Jay said:
I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.
^^^ This

markh1973

2,166 posts

175 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Challo said:
Oliver Hardy said:
I have brought this up several times in other threads and not got an answer, do forgive me for creating a thread of its own.

However as he often points out his father was a toolmaker while his mother a nurse, both were skilled jobs, toolmakers were really well paid.

Oxton where Starmer loved as a child is a really nice place, not exactly Tower Hamlets?

Why was his parents paupers?
Didn't his mum have Stills Disease from a young age, so while she was technically a nurse I suspect alot of the time was wasn't able to work and therefore a one parent income family?
Also his dad owned a business and, as I'm sure plenty on here can attest to, running your own business is not always an easy or profitable thing to do.

Also he didn't live in Oxton (in Cheshire) - he grew up in Hurst Green which is next to Oxted (Surrey).

Oliver Hardy

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Wednesday 3rd July
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Zetec-S said:
P-Jay said:
I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.
^^^ This
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/phone-cut-off-months-time-071800387.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAulA-5Xac6N0zd3wFDg6dAN9X3S6UCM1ukfb5ODLBFwrxlFCpcHY_L1q71v0H32Vd3Nx5vAaKstT98FFtBm-nenoNhqU3ZtwXlYsuj9dsB8_aVPDmXMgosRTJT3ueRc-iqthnzSohzf95YaEV1v2q9gCGeQjX6YiEjg04qy0L2y

Even if his mother couldn't work, toolmakers were still very well paid.

I tried to get an apprenticeship as a toolmaker when I was leaving school

otolith

59,075 posts

211 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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His father was a toolmaker in a factory, mother a nurse, one of four kids, mother had long term severe illness. Grammar school boy (joined before the school went independent, existing students were kept on until 16, got a bursary to stay on to 18). Aspirational working class family in skilled trades, if we must put people in boxes.

bitchstewie

55,163 posts

217 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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The Article said:
The Labour leader told the BBC he was not claiming to be in "great poverty" when growing up, but said he could relate to those currently facing difficulties as the cost of living crisis hits households.
Seems reasonable.

Super Sonic

7,299 posts

61 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Does this mean you won't be voting for him?

redrabbit

1,559 posts

172 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Oliver Hardy said:
I have brought this up several times in other threads and not got an answer, do forgive me for creating a thread of its own.

However as he often points out his father was a toolmaker while his mother a nurse, both were skilled jobs, toolmakers were really well paid.

Oxton where Starmer loved as a child is a really nice place, not exactly Tower Hamlets?

Why was his parents paupers?
I don't think he said they was.

He's living rent free in your head though, if you think this is worth a fresh thread biggrin

crankedup5

10,775 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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P-Jay said:
I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.
Is there still such a thing as a Labour Party, the existing Party has moved so far to centre right it has disenfranchised the true lefties. Those people are simmering in the background ready to cause
SKS troubles and strife.

Nomme de Plum

6,079 posts

23 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Oliver Hardy said:
I have brought this up several times in other threads and not got an answer, do forgive me for creating a thread of its own.

However as he often points out his father was a toolmaker while his mother a nurse, both were skilled jobs, toolmakers were really well paid.

Oxton where Starmer loved as a child is a really nice place, not exactly Tower Hamlets?

Why was his parents paupers?
I did a tool maker’s job for an engineering company whilst I was doing industrial training for my degree. Probably at a similar time KS’s father was working It is not complicated job and certainly not particularly well paid.

P-Jay

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198 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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crankedup5 said:
P-Jay said:
I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.
Is there still such a thing as a Labour Party, the existing Party has moved so far to centre right it has disenfranchised the true lefties. Those people are simmering in the background ready to cause
SKS troubles and strife.
With the absolute minimum of respect, the True Lefties had their chance with Corbyn, it only proved you can't get people to vote for socialism, however bad things get.

TBH, there are plenty of them online crying into their keyboard "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" and trying to say if only they'd stayed the course with Magic Grandpa voters would be still screaming to vote for him now. The only thing they seem to hate more than the Tories, are the grown-ups in Labour. If they can't be rid of that whole cabal, they need to keep the likes of Dianne Abbott deep in the back benches. Corbyn should lose in Islington North, which will keep him out of the Commons at least.



otolith

59,075 posts

211 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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P-Jay said:
The only thing they seem to hate more than the Tories, are the grown-ups in Labour.
Standard. They hated Blair too. Some people would rather be ideologically pure and impotent than compromise and make things better.



Of course it seems that the only people the two right wing parties hate more than the left wing parties is each other, so it’s not purely a leftist thing.

crankedup5

10,775 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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P-Jay said:
crankedup5 said:
P-Jay said:
I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.
Is there still such a thing as a Labour Party, the existing Party has moved so far to centre right it has disenfranchised the true lefties. Those people are simmering in the background ready to cause
SKS troubles and strife.
With the absolute minimum of respect, the True Lefties had their chance with Corbyn, it only proved you can't get people to vote for socialism, however bad things get.

TBH, there are plenty of them online crying into their keyboard "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" and trying to say if only they'd stayed the course with Magic Grandpa voters would be still screaming to vote for him now. The only thing they seem to hate more than the Tories, are the grown-ups in Labour. If they can't be rid of that whole cabal, they need to keep the likes of Dianne Abbott deep in the back benches. Corbyn should lose in Islington North, which will keep him out of the Commons at least.
Nothing you say I would disagree with, however it will be interesting to see the disaffected lefties kick off and how that may affect Labour Government. Hopefully the media should pick up some strife.

119

9,590 posts

43 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Zetec-S said:
P-Jay said:
I don't think he's ever tried to sell the idea of him being born into desperate poverty, only to graft his way up, just that's he comes from a fairly normal background, not another Eton Boy of the 'ruling elite'.

You don't have to have a Dad who worked down t' pit to be in the Labour Party.
^^^ This
I think Neil might have something to say about that!




bhstewie said:
The Article said:
The Labour leader told the BBC he was not claiming to be in "great poverty" when growing up, but said he could relate to those currently facing difficulties as the cost of living crisis hits households.
Seems hypocritical.
Fixed that for you.

wink

bitchstewie

55,163 posts

217 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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How is it hypocritical to say you weren't in great poverty but you didn't have loads of money so you think you can relate to people?

tribalsurfer

1,164 posts

126 months

Wednesday 3rd July
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Pretty sure his Dad owned the Tool Making factory. It was Oxted Tools. I'm sure he was more hands on with the tool making then say Elon Musk is with building rockets but it's one of the most misleading things Starmer says.

https://order-order.com/2024/06/14/starmers-father...