An open post for PH NPE
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Regardless of your politics, religion, beliefs, try to be a little kinder. Try to empathise. Do not seek solace in the comfort of entrenched and familiar positions, challenge yourself with the discomfort of confronting new ideas. Always question. The biggest, most powerful word in the English language has three letters. W.H.Y. Ask questions with an open mind and be prepared to adapt, to change. Your mind is the most powerful tool you own, don't keep it shut away wrapped in the powerful opiate of certainty. You are remarkable people, you are all stories waiting to be told. Make yours a good one, a meaningful one, one that will inspire. The only thing we leave behind us when we go is the impression we have made on others. How do you want to be remembered? Peace and love all, gbn x
I think we all ask why it's just the response you get is often yeah but no but. I vote Tory every GE since 97 now likely won't vote. Labour still offer the same fear of high tax and punishing you for making more an the torys have smashed the middle class vote. Why....I have no idea but we are a nation in decline and have no one to steer us back.
Open an honest speech telling people straight no magic money tree no room for some services benefits and cons of immigration. Public health is poor so NHS is stretched etc, you have to teach your kids as well as the school system.
Bur we won't because it's easier to say grrr labour grrr tory than just be honest
Open an honest speech telling people straight no magic money tree no room for some services benefits and cons of immigration. Public health is poor so NHS is stretched etc, you have to teach your kids as well as the school system.
Bur we won't because it's easier to say grrr labour grrr tory than just be honest
Good morning biggbn and I agree that your sentients are well meant. The problem is those posters who have decided that they're correct, and that anyone who disagrees is an opponent who should be mocked/proved wrong/insulted.
For instance, the position one poster in particular adopts on Covid-19 vaccines. He is convinced they are catastrophic and that the state is lying to us, aided and abetted by the likes of the ONS and UKHSA. No amount of reasoning, data or evidence has any impact on him. "I'm right, you're wrong. Anyone who can't see what I see is a sheep with an IQ below 2" being his attitude.
Even if you say something like "Nothing's proven, better data is needed so we can be sure" you're told to "join the dots" or something equally patronising.
As someone once said: "Some men you just can't reach".
For instance, the position one poster in particular adopts on Covid-19 vaccines. He is convinced they are catastrophic and that the state is lying to us, aided and abetted by the likes of the ONS and UKHSA. No amount of reasoning, data or evidence has any impact on him. "I'm right, you're wrong. Anyone who can't see what I see is a sheep with an IQ below 2" being his attitude.
Even if you say something like "Nothing's proven, better data is needed so we can be sure" you're told to "join the dots" or something equally patronising.
As someone once said: "Some men you just can't reach".
The other facet of this is that a poster should be able to state an opinion without triggering a quest from other forum users to turn said opinion around to their point of view. Learn when there's a discussion to be had and when there isn't.
In my opinion the real problem is that of using pseudonyms without any traceability back to a real person; primarily there isn’t personal accountability, and secondly lack of visibility of who that person is i.e could be a genuine nut case. Pseudonyms were fun when the Internet was new and we were kids, but now, I think that they are counterproductive - especially when discussing emotive topics.
In my opinion the real problem is that of using pseudonyms without any traceability back to a real person; primarily there isn’t personal accountability, and secondly lack of visibility of who that person is i.e could be a genuine nut case. Pseudonyms were fun when the Internet was new and we were kids, but now, I think that they are counterproductive - especially when discussing emotive topics.
mwstewart said:
The other facet of this is that a poster should be able to state an opinion without triggering a quest from other forum users to turn said opinion around to their point of view. Learn when there's a discussion to be had and when there isn't.
In my opinion the real problem is that of using pseudonyms without any traceability back to a real person; primarily there isn’t personal accountability, and secondly lack of visibility of who that person is i.e could be a genuine nut case. Pseudonyms were fun when the Internet was new and we were kids, but now, I think that they are counterproductive - especially when discussing emotive topics.
Reminds me of one of my favourite quotes from one of my favourite philosophers...In my opinion the real problem is that of using pseudonyms without any traceability back to a real person; primarily there isn’t personal accountability, and secondly lack of visibility of who that person is i.e could be a genuine nut case. Pseudonyms were fun when the Internet was new and we were kids, but now, I think that they are counterproductive - especially when discussing emotive topics.
'If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.'
mwstewart said:
In my opinion the real problem is that of using pseudonyms without any traceability back to a real person; primarily there isn’t personal accountability, and secondly lack of visibility of who that person is i.e could be a genuine nut case. Pseudonyms were fun when the Internet was new and we were kids, but now, I think that they are counterproductive - especially when discussing emotive topics.
That's why I have never used one. It's a refuge for those who want to spout bile and hate and makes it easier for such people to behave like that.biggbn said:
Reminds me of one of my favourite quotes from one of my favourite philosophers...
'If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.'
Said before internet forum moderation existed. 'If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.'
Eric Mc said:
mwstewart said:
In my opinion the real problem is that of using pseudonyms without any traceability back to a real person; primarily there isn’t personal accountability, and secondly lack of visibility of who that person is i.e could be a genuine nut case. Pseudonyms were fun when the Internet was new and we were kids, but now, I think that they are counterproductive - especially when discussing emotive topics.
That's why I have never used one. It's a refuge for those who want to spout bile and hate and makes it easier for such people to behave like that.Personally, I'd prefer PH to implement 2FA based on a registered phone, so that banned returnees and multiple account holders would have to put some effort into signing up.
Problem with this, for most users in these kinds of threads, the primary purpose is to punch someone, in an argumentative sense. They will seek out users who wish to trade blows, and avoid engaging with users who have more malleable opinions as it's less fun to punch a soft and squishy punch bag
biggbn said:
Regardless of your politics, religion, beliefs, try to be a little kinder. Try to empathise. Do not seek solace in the comfort of entrenched and familiar positions, challenge yourself with the discomfort of confronting new ideas. Always question. The biggest, most powerful word in the English language has three letters. W.H.Y. Ask questions with an open mind and be prepared to adapt, to change. Your mind is the most powerful tool you own, don't keep it shut away wrapped in the powerful opiate of certainty. You are remarkable people, you are all stories waiting to be told. Make yours a good one, a meaningful one, one that will inspire. The only thing we leave behind us when we go is the impression we have made on others. How do you want to be remembered? Peace and love all, gbn x
Good post. I always try to be respectful and avoid a 'gotcha' etc., but this is a good reminder to try doubly hard. tangerine_sedge said:
I'm all for Pseudonyms on the internet - it insulates you from the nutters. I don't want a crank to turn up at my office claiming all sorts of nonsense just because I've had an online disagreement on some topic.
Personally, I'd prefer PH to implement 2FA based on a registered phone, so that banned returnees and multiple account holders would have to put some effort into signing up.
Never had a problem like that to be honest.Personally, I'd prefer PH to implement 2FA based on a registered phone, so that banned returnees and multiple account holders would have to put some effort into signing up.
biggbn said:
Regardless of your politics, religion, beliefs, try to be a little kinder. Try to empathise. Do not seek solace in the comfort of entrenched and familiar positions, challenge yourself with the discomfort of confronting new ideas. Always question. The biggest, most powerful word in the English language has three letters. W.H.Y. Ask questions with an open mind and be prepared to adapt, to change. Your mind is the most powerful tool you own, don't keep it shut away wrapped in the powerful opiate of certainty. You are remarkable people, you are all stories waiting to be told. Make yours a good one, a meaningful one, one that will inspire. The only thing we leave behind us when we go is the impression we have made on others. How do you want to be remembered? Peace and love all, gbn x
Nothing to add. Just wanted to say 'bravo' for posting that.Eric Mc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
I'm all for Pseudonyms on the internet - it insulates you from the nutters. I don't want a crank to turn up at my office claiming all sorts of nonsense just because I've had an online disagreement on some topic.
Personally, I'd prefer PH to implement 2FA based on a registered phone, so that banned returnees and multiple account holders would have to put some effort into signing up.
Never had a problem like that to be honest.Personally, I'd prefer PH to implement 2FA based on a registered phone, so that banned returnees and multiple account holders would have to put some effort into signing up.
I post under my own name party to keep a sense check on what I say publicly.
Also because I couldn't think of a user name.
The Israel invaded thread is a stand out example of the worse ph behaviours. Any comment about idf actions is immediately "oh so you must support Hamas"
The trump thread - any comment is "oh so you must support Trump".
But they are decisive topis of course. So there needs to be some thickness of skin grown before entering an online (or even face to face) discussion, and one's ability to cope with crap aimed at you should be proportional to the amount of crap you dish out to others.
Also because I couldn't think of a user name.
The Israel invaded thread is a stand out example of the worse ph behaviours. Any comment about idf actions is immediately "oh so you must support Hamas"
The trump thread - any comment is "oh so you must support Trump".
But they are decisive topis of course. So there needs to be some thickness of skin grown before entering an online (or even face to face) discussion, and one's ability to cope with crap aimed at you should be proportional to the amount of crap you dish out to others.
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