The next Tory Leader
Poll: The next Tory Leader
Total Members Polled: 176
Discussion
I can't see past Mordaunt. She should have been the PM before Truss and Sunak.
I don't know why the MPs seemed to want Sunak as badly as they did, but in the leaderships votes leading up to Truss and then Sunak's selections it's evident manipulations were going on behind the scenes to get Sunak in. So much so that they thought putting him up against Truss would give him the leadership, little did they count on the membership liking Sunak even less than they did Truss.
They made sure the second time after ousting Truss to manipulate things so the only choice was Sunak.
I'm pretty sure that if the membership had ever been given the option of Mordaunt she'd have walked it.
So I've little sympathy for the MPs losing their jobs this election, they chose their leader, a man so obviously cringe-worthy as PM that it beggars belief any of them thought he was the future of the party.
They lost any chance of my vote when Sunak got in and doubled down on IR35, let alone any of the other myriad things I think they are doing wrong.
I don't know why the MPs seemed to want Sunak as badly as they did, but in the leaderships votes leading up to Truss and then Sunak's selections it's evident manipulations were going on behind the scenes to get Sunak in. So much so that they thought putting him up against Truss would give him the leadership, little did they count on the membership liking Sunak even less than they did Truss.
They made sure the second time after ousting Truss to manipulate things so the only choice was Sunak.
I'm pretty sure that if the membership had ever been given the option of Mordaunt she'd have walked it.
So I've little sympathy for the MPs losing their jobs this election, they chose their leader, a man so obviously cringe-worthy as PM that it beggars belief any of them thought he was the future of the party.
They lost any chance of my vote when Sunak got in and doubled down on IR35, let alone any of the other myriad things I think they are doing wrong.
Hague was on Times Radio recently saying that he was 50-1 to take over before the 97 election, everyone expected Portillo or maybe Clarke or one of the other big names. What ended up happening was people took a different view, wanting a new start - although Clarke's joint campaign with Redwood was odd to say the least.
The same thing happened to Labour in 2010 and 2015.
So that rules out Mordaunt and Badenoch, who will be seen as campaigning too much and derailing the campaign.
I think Cleverly will do well.
Looking down the list on Odds Checker, Tugendhat and Coutinho are not prominently in the public eye but both regarded highly and would be a "new generation" candidate like Hague was.
David Cameron may also have a go, either standing as an MP in July or try to become leader from the Lords and promise to take the next available seat, then pray that the next seat isn't a difficult marginal.
Of course a lot depends on the size of the defeat and who is left. Most of those in safer seats are on the left of the party so there may be a stitch up to provide the members with two approved candidates, either of which the MPs will accept.
The same thing happened to Labour in 2010 and 2015.
So that rules out Mordaunt and Badenoch, who will be seen as campaigning too much and derailing the campaign.
I think Cleverly will do well.
Looking down the list on Odds Checker, Tugendhat and Coutinho are not prominently in the public eye but both regarded highly and would be a "new generation" candidate like Hague was.
David Cameron may also have a go, either standing as an MP in July or try to become leader from the Lords and promise to take the next available seat, then pray that the next seat isn't a difficult marginal.
Of course a lot depends on the size of the defeat and who is left. Most of those in safer seats are on the left of the party so there may be a stitch up to provide the members with two approved candidates, either of which the MPs will accept.
Piersman2 said:
I can't see past Mordaunt. She should have been the PM before Truss and Sunak.
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Meh.
She is a bit of an empty vessel imo and whenever subjected to questioning in the Tory leadership contest she confirmed it. You need more than looking good holding a sword.
IMO whoever becomes the next Tory leader is essentially meaningless. The Tory party coalition is broken and none of the potential candidates will muster the required 36%+ in 2028/29 imo because there isn't a permutation of the electorate that they can convince to vote for them.
Whomever takes on the role next will have to manage the inevitable civil war that will erupt within the party as it decides on what kind of party it wishes to be.
Much like Labour before, there will be a period of infighting, backstabbing and lurches until someone sensible comes along to bring calm and moderate policies forward and make it actually electable.
I agree Mordant would be a relatively sensible choice but she should aim for the leadership after the next one. The next leader will not be the leader come the following GE so if Mordant is clever she'll leave it to a headbanger like Badenock or Braverman to deal with the fallout of this GE and then 'white knight' it as the only sane choice come 2029
Much like Labour before, there will be a period of infighting, backstabbing and lurches until someone sensible comes along to bring calm and moderate policies forward and make it actually electable.
I agree Mordant would be a relatively sensible choice but she should aim for the leadership after the next one. The next leader will not be the leader come the following GE so if Mordant is clever she'll leave it to a headbanger like Badenock or Braverman to deal with the fallout of this GE and then 'white knight' it as the only sane choice come 2029
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